Open Thread: Heard It Through The Grapevine Episodes 1 & 2

Welcome to the Open Thread, everyone! Thank you for joining me on this watch of Heard It Through The Grapevine, which is already proving to be quite a unique drama! 🤩

SOME IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENTS, before we begin:

ZERO SPOILER POLICY

1. We will be adopting a ZERO SPOILER POLICY for this Open Thread, except for events that have happened in the show, up to this point.

The spoiler tags don’t work in email notifications, therefore, please take note that WE WILL NOT BE USING SPOILER TAGS FOR THIS OPEN THREAD. 

ANY AND ALL SPOILERS WILL BE REDACTED to protect first-time viewers in our midst (although, I’d appreciate it if you would save me the trouble of having to redact spoilers, heh 😅).

This includes, but is not limited to, how characters &/or relationships develop, later in the show.

We need to protect the innocent! 😉

SPOILER ZONE

2. HOWEVER!! If you’d like to discuss spoilers from a rewatcher’s point of view, I’ve created a SPOILER ZONE for you, where you can discuss all the spoilers you’d like, without the need for spoiler warnings. You can find it here!

Without further ado, here are my reactions to this set of episodes; have fun in the Open Thread, everyone! ❤️

My thoughts

Episode 1

Well. That was quite the ride indeed.

Even though I’d had an inkling of the bare-bones premise of our story, I still felt rather surprised by the twists and turns we get, this first hour, as Show deals with the initial set-up of our characters and their situations.

In a drama landscape where most teen love stories tend to focus on the initial falling in love and courtship, this story, which plunges us right into the situation where Bom is already heavily pregnant and only two weeks away from giving birth, immediately feels different.

We soon get the flashback to the night they had conceived the baby, and it’s so down-to-earth, really, the way they try to control themselves.

It’s crazy ambitious, yes, but the fact that they actually had such plans in place, to stop all contact, and change their phone numbers, to prevent themselves from getting too involved, when they should be focusing on their studies, is endearing, to me.

They are so earnest and they’re trying so hard, to do things right, and only see each other, when they’ve gotten to college.

It’s just.. teenage hormones, tsunami-sized feelings, and a pocket of opportunity, is just too much for them to overcome.

..Which is how we find ourselves in such an opening situation, in the first place.

I’ll talk more about our main couple later; first, I’d like to talk about how quickly Show clues us in, on the important big pieces, in our drama world.

For example, the way Show so effectively and efficiently establishes the difference between Bom’s family and In Sang’s family.

Where Bom’s family is noisy and down-to-earth, and maybe even a bit rough – like the way Dad deals with that customer’s messed-up order – In Sang’s family is all gentility and manners, even at home.

We can already tell, right away, that this is going to be a point of contention, particularly from In Sang’s family’s point of view.

What strikes me about Bom’s family, is how accepting Mom and Dad are, towards her and her situation, even though she refuses to say anything about the identity of the baby’s father.

I mean, it’s true that Dad’s blustery about it, but I feel like I’ve seen much worse, in terms of angry fathers who are disappointed in their children’s choices. I feel that Dad’s heart for Bom isn’t hard to see, despite his grumpy and unhappy words.

He’d wanted her to use her smarts to at least be a minister, and he is visibly upset when he talks about it, but it doesn’t seem like it’s caused his world to end or anything.

Mom is just quite the saint, I feel. She stays (mostly) calm in the face of Dad’s peevish bluster, and speaks in soothing tones, both to him and to Bom.

Plus, she goes to be with Bom, so that Bom won’t be alone during those pregnancy classes, where everyone else is accompanied by their husbands.

Beyond that, even though Mom is deeply curious about who the baby’s father is, and asks Bom about it regularly, she doesn’t lose her temper when Bom doesn’t give her the answers she’s looking for.

I really like her already.

Over on In Sang’s side, it feels like a completely different world.

Not only is Dad a trained lawyer, he’s involved in politics, and is even making a job offer to the soon-to-be displaced prime minister. It somehow feels more influential than actually being the prime minister, because he comes across as some sort of kingmaker, doing what he does.

The way Mom has to be all hush-hush about inviting the shaman lady to her house, reminds me of sageuks where royalty was forbidden to delve into these superstitious practices, and the ladies of the court invited the shamans to do the rites for them in secret.

This.. vibes a lot like that, to me.

And when Mom’s friends ask her about it point-blank, having received intel about the shaman lady’s visit, Mom is swift to cover it up with a smokescreen.

This already tells me that reputation is a huge deal to In Sang’s family.

And, we haven’t even taken into account his parents’ hopes and expectations for him to pass the legal civil service exam, not to mention their marriage scouting strategies, for which his future bride needs to meet strict criteria, in order to be considered worthy.

Yikes. I can only imagine how unhappy, shocked, and likely ballistic they’ll be, when they find out that they won’t get to choose their daughter-in-law, and not only that, they’re about to become grandparents, in like, 2 weeks. 😝😅

Talk about a bombshell. 🙈

As for our young couple in the center of this brewing storm, I have to say that I really like Bom, right away.

She comes across as so matter-of-fact, strong, and still pleasant, even though she’s going through a lot. It only becomes clear in the cab, when she cries with In Sang, that she’s actually really scared, underneath it all.

I have to admire her for being strong enough to make it this far, since it can’t have been easy to drop out of school, and deal with her parents’ questions and reactions, on top of fighting for her right to have government support, as a pregnant teen.

As for In Sang, he does come across as a sheltered boy who’s been trained all his life, to please his parents. There is admittedly a lot of pressure that he’s dealing with, in terms of his parents’ expectations of him.

At the same time, I really appreciate that he does everything he can, to find Bom, even though he doesn’t have much to go on, in terms of actual information.

In Sang may be young and pretty much powerless, but his earnestness is really quite endearing.

Case in point, when he finally finds Bom and realizes that she’s pregnant with his baby, he doesn’t attempt to run screaming from her house. Instead, he tells Mom and Dad that he loves her, and will take responsibility for her and the baby, by marrying her.

In this moment, I have zero confidence in him being able to actually take care of anyone, including himself, but I also absolutely believe him, when he says that that’s what he wants to do.

It’s kind of funny that Dad takes him up on his words right away, and sends Bom off with In Sang, to greet In Sang’s parents.

But what’s even funnier, and more bizarre, is how In Sang talks and cries with Bom and everything – and then tries to commit suicide by drowning in the lake (if he can just test the water temperature first).

Pfft. It’s ridiculous and kinda nuts, but I suppose that’s just how overwhelmed In Sang is, right now.

I actually think that Bom going out there and basically showing In Sang how it’s done, is just the thing to shake In Sang to his senses. Suddenly, he’s all focused on saving Bom and the baby, instead of trying to kill himself, ha.

It is quite sweet, though, the way In Sang declares that he’s now got the courage to tell his parents, and it’s also sweet, the way Bom tells him that he’s cool, like he’s always been. Aw.

It’s so cute that In Sang asks permission from the cab driver, to kiss Bom, just once. Cab Driver even looks low-key amused, as he tells In Sang to go ahead and kiss Bom, because he won’t look.

On a tangent, I really like Cab Driver. He’s so patient with them, and has the compassion to get them a blanket, after their watery escapade, and even muses kindly that they should look for ways to live, not die, since they’re having a baby.

I’m pretty certain that things are going to get.. hectic, for In Sang in particular, once they get to his home and face his parents, so I hope this kiss gives him the strength and courage that he needs. 😅

Episode 2

This show is turning out to be a pretty fun and entertaining watch, but I do think it’s really important to have the right lens on.

For example, if you were to take everything in this show dead seriously, I feel that that could be a problem. Like, why would a character do this? Or, is this done, at this level of society?

I think we need to keep a satirical lens on, and accept that there are things in this drama world that are amplified or exaggerated for effect, and the effect that Show is going for, is a darkly comic one, where, when In Sang’s dad declines emergency help for Bom, it’s supposed to be more funny than disturbing.

And, when Secretary Kim stands at the stairs, and bellows out the order from Dad, to control communications, such that the whole house can hear the announcement, I don’t think we’re supposed to believe that people literally do that.

Rather, I feel like that’s a nod (and a wink) to how eunuchs in sageuks yell out the intentions of the king, in that sing-song announcement way.

I honestly feel like this lens adjustment thing could end up making or breaking your watch of this show, coz without the right way to frame everything, you could end up being very perplexed indeed, by many of our characters’ actions.

Happily, Show’s pretty good with the musical cues, which definitely help to clue us in on the bits that Show intends for funny, instead of serious. That said, I do think that sometimes the humor leans rather dry, and is not underscored by music, so the musical cues aren’t a 100% crutch.

Some of the funny comes from the facial reactions of the characters, which are sometimes so great, that they make me laugh, all on their own, like the shocked expressions on everyone’s faces, when In Sang arrives back home with a heavily pregnant Bom.

The way the all these people’s heads come poking around corners, like meerkats, is also very amusing to me – while also demonstrating to us, just how many staff work in In Sang’s household.

Very nicely done, I thought.

It’s so fantastically dramatic, that Bom goes into labor right there in the living room, while trying to greet In Sang’s parents.

These kinds of developments are so bizarre that they land funny, and even though it’s a serious situation, I couldn’t help but giggle through the whole thing – partly because of everyone’s aforementioned shocked faces.

The way Dad puts on the opera music reaaally loud, and then greets those paramedics with that overly bright expression, is also very funny; it’s all in the execution, which is what makes me giggle.

I get that Dad and Mom have all these grand plans for In Sang, and therefore, this development with Bom and the baby is basically their worst nightmare, and so, I understand why they aren’t so quick to embrace the fact that they’ve basically just become grandparents.

If they’ve spent years building this hypothetical future for In Sang, I can see why they would want to exhaust every possibility, to keep that dream alive, despite what’s happening right now, before their very eyes.

At the same time, the way Bom carries herself is nothing short of amazing. She’s so level-headed and in control, even though she’s in labor. She’s the one who’s telling people what to look up on the internet, and why.

I can’t help thinking that if Mom and Dad could actually see Bom for how smart, bright and talented she is, they’d realize that she’d be an asset, and not a burden, to In Sang, as well as to the family.

Bom’s family is really growing on me as well; I loved that little scene of her mom, dad and sister crowding around the phone, crying happy tears that she’s given birth to the baby. The way Mom is proud of In Sang too, is so sweet.

I also really like the housekeeper, listed as Jung Soon; she’s so kindly and compassionate, as she helps Bom during and after the birth. I love her assuring, non-judgmental manner, that feels so refreshing, in the midst of the calculated moves by In Sang’s parents.

Like I said, I understand why In Sang’s parents are being so calculating with every move that they make, but it really feels cold, to send In Sang away, and then separate Bom from the baby.

This tells me that if the baby is proven to be In Sang’s, they might decide to keep the baby – but get rid of Bom..? That sucks, and would be so unfair to Bom.

In fact, it’s already hugely unfair to Bom, who’d been prepared to give birth this baby all on her own, until In Sang came knocking on her door and ended up whisking her away in just a matter of minutes.

Bom never signed up for this, and now, she’s being forcefully separated from her baby, whom she just wants to care for, with all her heart.

And, poor In Sang too, who’s being tricked into moving out of the house, without his phone, against his will.

I’m actually kind of glad that it looks like the facade won’t be maintained for long.

With Mrs. Hong in the house, and Mom screaming at Bom for basically standing up politely for her rights (you go, Bom Bom!), and Mom’s nosy friend (listed as Young Ra) ready to descend on her for a nosy visit, it feels like the lid’s about to be blown right off this cover-up.

For Bom’s sake, I’m kind of hoping that this blows up quickly, so that In Sang’s Dad and Mom can’t keep her hidden, and can’t separate her from her baby, any longer.

Or at least, that’s how it goes in my head.

Who knows, really, how the desperate rich and powerful would react, in such a situation? 😅

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Ufan
Ufan
14 days ago

My family laughed so hard at “and this is the fruit of the love.” Looking forward to episodes 3&4.

Leslie
Leslie
16 days ago

I’m liking this drama right away. A little surprised, because I’m not usually drawn to a show that’s described as a dark comedy, full of satire. But, so far, it’s also filled with lots humanity and genuine feelings – from shock, to fear, to love, to disappointment, to joy, and to – possibly misplaced – hopefulness. A few random thoughts:

Han In Sung’s parents house is beautiful! I love walking through every room with the camera.

Both of our young people are doing so well, under the circumstances, and I like them both a lot. Seo Bom is a star! Level-headed, emotionally strong, a loving mom even before their son makes his arrival, and super-competent. As has been noted, she’d be a great asset to any family, if they could appreciate her. In Sung may be immature (because, teenager), but his instincts for right and wrong are good. His execution on those instincts, to do right, may be, er, a little wobbly, but under the circumstances of learning you’re going to be a father at 5 pm and being one, at 10 pm, he’s showing great courage. These instincts and that courage, are especially meaningful in light of his upbringing. Go In Sung!

A highlight for me was the scene where In Sung goes to visit his new family, before heading off to school. What a beautifully shot moment, where he cradles his son’s head and kisses him gently several times, then, equally gently, holds Seo Bom’s hand and compliments her. He’s got potential, that one, yesterday’s boy-today’s father.

[SPOILERS REDACTED. You’re welcome to repost these details in the new OT, Leslie. ~KFG]

I’m imagining that Seo Bom’s parents won’t always be shown to be paragons of moral high ground? Wouldn’t that be too simple a contrast?

Between finding a VPN country that works with this show, and then learning about and executing incognito mode, it’s a two-fer. Good drama and technical advancement! 🤣

Beez
Beez
15 days ago
Reply to  Leslie

@Leslie – [SPOILER REDACTED. ~KFG] Did that happen yet? I think I recall that happening but not in these first two episodes???

Trent
15 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez — no, it happens in the next couple episodes (3-4); I know because I just watched them yesterday. Now I’m all afire to have the new post up so I can vent some more. This show, it’s gettin’ to me already!

Beez
Beez
15 days ago
Reply to  Trent

@Trent – I was wondering if I’d fallen asleep again!
@Leslie – You may want to check Kfangurl’s preamble to her recap of this episode – this is an absolutely no spoiler zone area. 🙏

Trent
15 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez — to be fair, it’s sometimes a little tough to remember if an incident happened in the last set of eps, or the current set that we haven’t started discussing yet…

Beez
Beez
15 days ago
Reply to  Trent

Very true. Plus with my sleep issues, that’s why I asked if I had missed that scene.

Leslie
Leslie
15 days ago
Reply to  Beez

Yes, you’re absolutely right, @beez, this did happen in the 3rd episode. Sorry for the unintentional spoiler. I was enjoying the show so much, I rolled right into the 3rd episode. Then I went to look at KFG’s notes for Ep 1&2, lost track of what happened in which episode, and wrote my comment. I’m all in on spoiler free zone, so will be more careful next time!

Beez
Beez
15 days ago
Reply to  Leslie

I have made quite a few faux pas in these group watches, although mine have usually happened from thinking that I’m on the Spoiler Page!

phl1rxd
phl1rxd
18 days ago

My oh my..that was two hours of “what the heck did I just see?”. Whew! @Beez – I totally get now why you encouraged this drama in a group watch. I feel like I was just shoved onto a roller coaster ride. I can only imagine the goodies in store…

Beez
Beez
18 days ago
Reply to  phl1rxd

I’m doing my happy happy joy dance ’cause you like it!

phl1rxd
phl1rxd
17 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@Beez – OMG, this is wild. I remember you saying that there would be a lot to talk about and you were not playing. Great choice Miz B.

The juxtaposition of these two sets of parents: one set kind and loving and the other manipulative and controlling. I just can’t with In Sang’s parents! I think we better strap ourselves in for a bumpy ride.

the_sweetroad
17 days ago
Reply to  phl1rxd

I just can’t with In Sang’s parents!

Totally agree so far! 🙂 They are behaving very badly and have every intention of mowing down Bom. That raises my hackles big time!

beez
17 days ago
Reply to  phl1rxd

It’s amazing to me how sometimes, even in real life, great people can come from horrible parents.

phl1rxd
phl1rxd
17 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@Beez – Because today is a special day here in the US: Happy Mother’s Day to you, and all the moms on the blog, especially Fangurls’s Mom! 🌹🌺🌷🌻🌼🌸💖💖💖💖

Beez
Beez
17 days ago
Reply to  phl1rxd

And to you too, phl1rxd!

j3ffc
j3ffc
17 days ago
Reply to  phl1rxd

Hear hear!!

Timescout
21 days ago

Oh, I wouldn’t say nobody watched Grapevine. The Soompi Forum thread for the drama was pretty lively even at the beginning of the show and got even busier as the story progressed. People posted articles, recaps, ratings info, translations of knetz comments, photos, previews… all sorts of interesting tidbits. The thread, all 200 pages of it, is still available at the forum archives. I just checked. 🙂

The ratings for the main terrestial channels were already in decline when Grapevine aired, imho. Even back in 2010 when I was in Seoul, people were watching stuff in hand held monitors. Younger people had actually started moving away from the traditional way of watching content even earlier. Back in the day there were Korean servers for downloading dramas and other content leagally for a fee. Not available for us foreign folks without a Korean ID though.😄

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  Timescout

timescout, now that i am thinking about it, wasn’t it you who told merij about this drama and then he told me, that you liked it quite a lot. was it you, or am i hallucinating? than was quite a while ago.

Timescout
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Could have been me. I did extoll the virtues of Grapevine in couple of comments at least. Though I can’t really remember who to. 😄

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  Timescout

i kind of remember, after watching 3 of ahn pan seok’s productions i was looking for more, and asked merij if he knew. so that is when he said that he did not see it, but you saw it and loved it or enjoyed it or something of this sort. so you are the one who’s responsible for this group watch, since after i started watching it, i was so impressed, and beez said she was the same. so we started discussing it, and then thought that it would be a very good and rich discussion piece for the group. that’s how it all started.

so we should all be thankful to you.

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  Timescout

@timescout – I have a love-hate relationship with Soompi. My.log in has never worked. I finally took the time(after some years) to ask for help from Soompi. We reset my log in but it still never worked so I resigned myself to be happy withtheir news stories and have always ignored the forum asif it didn’t exist just to not be aggravated that I couldn’t participate. Now that you’ve said this show was discussed extensively, I almost wish I had stopped being stubborn enough to have checked it out for Grapevine as I felt desperate to discuss this show.

Timescout
21 days ago
Reply to  Beez

I do remember Soompi having some issues with logging in at some point. I mostly used the forums as a reference point and often didn’t even log in. I was always more of a lurker there. 😄

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  Timescout

Because of that, I actually blocked Soompi forum out of my mind. I truly forget it exists until someone mentions it. It’s my personality. If I didn’t block it out of my mind I’d be obsessing over it. lol

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  Beez

Haha, I’ve started blocking out Soompi just on Sundays. Need to break the addiction at least one day a week.

Beez
Beez
20 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

Maybe I’ll give Soompi onnnnnne
more chance

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  Beez

That’s how I felt about My Mister, and I finally joined Soompi last June just to talk about it! 🙂 We all have those shows that completely get under our skin, I guess!

the_sweetroad
22 days ago

Brand new to this show but I can see it will be an interesting one! In Epsiode 2, I kept saying, “These two parents are ridiculous!!” The way they turned on loud music (the dad), or holed up in a room and needed earplugs and pampering (the mom) drove me up the wall. Haha. But as you said, KFG, they were completely shocked when In Sang brought Bom home, and when Bom went into labor right away. Their shock was understandable, though you could see through this scene what their values were.

Emotionally I got quite angry that they schemed to divide her from the baby and her from In Sang. “Divide and rule,” the dad said, right? All the while treating her well so that she could have no complaints. If I were Bom and In Sang I would feel so trapped and at the mercy of these two parents. Hopefully things get better and Bom is reunited with the baby soon, and with her parents. And hopefully In Sang gets his phone back and is let back into the house!

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

I can’t understand what they hope to gain by separating Bom from the baby???? Do they think that she’ll forget about it? it’s insane! (I think I’ll be saying that as a mantra.) Maybe because the mom had a nanny, she thinks that’s okay/normal?

Trent
21 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez — I see that as very much a mechanism of control. To a wealthy, powerful family, dynastic considerations are paramount, and (while they are still waiting for confirmation that it is Our Boy In-Sang’s offspring) having physical possession of the baby is in a sense the ballgame. Control the baby, and you’re in the driver’s seat; you get to dictate what baby’s mom and dad do, because baby is a lever.

Okay, sure, part of it might be defaulting to custom, that’s what they do in rich families and therefore what mom is used to–give it over to the professional nanny to take care of.

But underneath all that, it’s about control (and is super sinister to my eyes. I’m ready to rise up and riot when someone separates mom and newborn like that, because it just ain’t right. (It immediately put me in mind of a somewhat similar scene in Hellbound, where the tension was heightened tenfold just because the evil religious hacks were taking this poor woman’s baby from her).).

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  Trent

@trent – I’m sure you’re right. it’s just so unfanthomable until…

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  Beez

Yup. Talk about another mom whose actions we don’t agree with! And she still wants to “act nice” to Bom! It’s pretty terrible and unjust.

Beez
Beez
20 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

she only wanted to follow Crazy Rich Dad’s orders but she couldn’t last 2 minutes!

And I’m so glad that Crazy Mom couldn’t pull it off so Bom has no delusions right off the bat!

Last edited 20 days ago by Beez
eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  Trent

timescount all that you said in your answer to beez’s question why they separated bom and child is a 100%, but there is one more detail. i posted it in the spoilers, as even what you said here is a bit spoilery. but i really do not know the bottom line what KFG considers spoilers, i am just taking precautionary measure now, being scolded on that issue quite a few times, he he.

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez, all that trent said is a 100%, all of it. and will come out later. but… i’ll add something else, go to spoilers.

MariaF
MariaF
22 days ago

I saw this show awhile ago, so I don’t remember many details. But I’d like to make a few points:

1. Music is one of the funniest characters in this show.

2. It’s amusing to see how actors from Secret love affair and a couple of other shows have been reshuffled to create a completely different world.

3. I don’t think it will be considered a spoiler, if I say that the baby in this show is absolutely extraordinary: that boy never cries!

4. And lastly, as KFG wrote, the viewers do need lens here. 

But, thankfully, not the ones that are needed to help the poor viewers forgive show writers for not knowing how create characters, who feel real, or how to avoid plot holes. 

In this show lens are needed to make viewers a bit cynical. To make them see how pathetic, cruel and, yet, comically ridiculous people can be, when they consider themselves important and better than others. 

But also, how great people can become, while fighting their weaknesses and helplessness. Great, but still funny.

Last edited 22 days ago by MariaF
eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

maria, as always spot on.
In this show lens are needed to make viewers a bit cynical. To make them see how pathetic, cruel and, yet, comically ridiculous people can be, when they consider themselves important and better than others. 
But also, how great people can become, while fighting their weaknesses and helplessness. Great, but still funny.

although i have to disagree on one point: that a lens is needed to make viewers cynical.
i think the drama itself is strong enough to make the viewer realize that, even if they might not call it “cynical” themselves. the show stands on it’s own mighty power, i do not see a place for “mistaken identity” here.

where are you, i miss you on the queen and i. not interested?

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@Eda
the queen and i. not interested?

No comment 😊

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

got you, sorry. i’ll be missing you.

the_sweetroad
22 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

2. It’s amusing to see how actors from Secret love affair and a couple of other shows have been reshuffled to create a completely different world.

Yes! I noticed that and think it’s great these actors are getting the work :).

Last edited 22 days ago by the_sweetroad
eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

this director seems to have a very close working relationship with many of his production team members (or may be even more than working relationship). many of them are included in other of his work which i personally greatly appreciate. i really like to see different actors in different roles, especially the ones i love to see on my screen.

the_sweetroad
22 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Is it both the writer and the director that are the same from SLA? I did see that it’s the same writer, which means she churned out HITTG so quickly after SLA!

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

They worked together on three shows in a row. The grapevine is the last of them.

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

Thanks MariaF. I liked SLA but didn’t love it as much as some others do (too slow for me). Let’s see how HITTG goes. I can see that the writer and director definitely do satire well.

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

@the_sweetroad

too slow for me

Fast-forwarding is great for this. I have to admit that use it pretty often. And to not feel bad about it, I just tell myself that I’m a post-production editor/director.

I hope you enjoy this show.

Last edited 21 days ago by MariaF
eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

hmmm. .. i am the very opposite, i watch every second of a show, otherwise you can miss the most important detail and not even know about it. i never fast forward.

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@Eda
You are watching these shows the right way. I have to admit that I can be very impatient.

I should’ve specified that I might fast forward the first time I watch a show. If I’m interested enough to rewatch it, I fast forward less. And if I end up loving the show, I don’t fast forward at all.

Also, what feels ‘slow’ to some might not feel slow to others, and vice versa.

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

I totally fast-forward, especially if a character is taking 10 minutes to walk down a hallway, solo, silently. 🙂 And I’ll fast forward during my first watch if I can (but not usually through any dialogue, just through karaoke scenes or slow walking 🤣).
And upon a second watch, I might fast-forward even more often, through the scenes that I know I don’t like, or if evil people are just plotting.

Eda, you are very patient. Even with shows I like, I regularly check to see how much time is left in the episode 🙂 .

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

@the_sweetroad, @Eda

If you fast forward, you get to watch the skipped scenes during rewatches. You can also ignore the scenes you already saw.

It feels as if you get to see a new show. Well, almost. But it keeps it fresh. You discover new things.

And I meant it, when I said that it makes me feel as if I were an director/editor of the show.

There is a movie with Audrey Hepburn, called “Two for the road”.

Scenes in that movie are not in chronological order at all. You really need to make an effort to understand what is going on and when. It was the director’s choice to arrange the scenes that way.

I feel I do the same (well, almost), when I skip or watch episodes/scenes. In the end, I watch them all, so I don’t think miss anything.

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

what do you mean “impatient”? impatient to know what will happen next, or no patience for some scenes?
so here is how i resolve the issue if i get really impatient and agitated as i do not know if that or this character will stay alive, or will one of them succeed, or will they finally kiss… this kind of stuff. so then i cheat, i google the contents of some future episodes and read it. then i watch the drama in full. i do try to contain myself and do it rarely. but sometimes can not stop myself.

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@Eda
No patience for some scenes. I sometimes lose interest in a conversation. So I fast forward. I can back to that scene, when I’m in the mood. I’m very flexible.

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

Ohhhh! I hope y’all don’t use the ffwd button!

Have y’all ever watched something (especially on Viki with the comments on) and people are criticizing a show but it’s obvious they missed certain scenes which would have explained the scenes they’re up in arms about?

I’m not saying this show will answer all questions – in fact, because of the lacking subs when I watched it, Iwas so gung ho for the group watch because I wanted to see what everyone’s opinions will be (and hopefully we’ll have better subs this time around). Not saying everyone has to view the show positively, but I do think it’s unfair to evaluate a show if you’ve fastforwarded through it. This show is definitely not the type you can fast Forward through and enjoy it.

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  Beez

Beez, did you ever watch the Chinese show Meteor Garden from a couple years ago? That one was 40+ episodes, and at some point toward the end they were definitely filling time. It seriously took the female lead 15 minutes to walk, slowly, silently, away from the male lead’s house. In those situations I will definitely FF. But i hear you about this one – I will try not to FF, especially since it’s my first time and it does seem like there’s a lot of dialogue in the show. I usually don’t FF through dialogue. 🙂

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

sweetroad, sometimes a picture tells a thousand words – it creates the mood, it can enhance the character itself, it can walk you through the character’s mind set at the time, and so many more things. it’s like reading between the lines. and i am not saying that all slow “walks” are the same, but meantime, you can miss that important one.
as a matter of fact, MM has such “walks” and they are important and meaningful.

the_sweetroad
19 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Absolutely @eda.

And almost everything in MM was important and meaningful, including those emotionally-laden walks.

Meteor Garden was not like that. 😅 I honestly think they had that many episodes just to do more product placement and give more exposure to the actors, but then they had to fill time in a bad way. Filler scenes are hard for me to watch!

Beez
Beez
20 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

@the_sweetroad – I watch(ed) Korean dramas only until very recently. I can count on 1 hand the number of Chinese dramas that I’ve watched. (But those few were mostly very good.)

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

@MariaF – This one & SLA – what’s the third one?

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez
I think it was “A wife’s credentials”.

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

@MariaF – I never heard of that one. I’ll have to check AsianWiki to see if I want to add it to my Monster List.

Last edited 21 days ago by Beez
eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

maria and beez,
it’s actually 4 and in this order:
2014 – SLA
2015 – GRAPEVINE
2018- SOMETHING IN THE RAIN
2019-ONE SPRING NIGHT

and nothing in between, and nothing after that, as far as i know.

a wife’s credentials which i have not seen, is from 2012, and it has the FL from SLA. I saw it used to be on viki, but not any more. i want to see it also.

Beez
Beez
20 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Thanks, eda. Although I have nodesire to see Something In The Rain – I truly dislike May-December romances. And reading the synopsis for …Credentials – nah.

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez,
Something In The Rain – I truly dislike May-December romances. 
it is truly way beyond may-december romances. it is again the korean society, which is your main interest, as i understand. and if you trust the director, i would give it a try. i am also not a fan of “lollipops” on screen.

MariaF
MariaF
20 days ago
Reply to  Beez

I wouldn’t call “something in the rain” a May/December romance. The age difference was 6-7 years, maybe.

I couldn’t stand both FL and her mother there!

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

yah, difficult to stomach characters. but i believe we are supposed to have these feelings towards these characters. i think most of this director’s works are directed and intended to point attention to these societal problems in korea. and that is the value.

MariaF
MariaF
20 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

I agree that this director is very focused on societal issues.

I think the creators of “something in the rain” did too good a job of making FL and her mother terrible. I ended up not liking the show because of them.

However, the actress who played the mother “survived” my hate, so to speak. I don’t mind seeing her in other shows.

The FL actress is a different story. Every time I saw her in other shows, I wanted to turn off the tv.
She almost ruined ‘Crash landing’ for me.

the_sweetroad
19 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

The FL actress is a different story. Every time I saw her in other shows, I wanted to turn off the tv.
She almost ruined ‘Crash landing’ for me.

LOL @MariaF! How did you get through CLOY then? She appears in so many scenes (obviously, since she’s the lead).
You must have watched it for Hyun Bin. 😁

Beez
Beez
20 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

@MariaF – you’re right, of course, but I think my problem is (besides my old fashionedness of liking the man to be the leader in the relationship) is that usually in these shows, I’ve been seeing the actress in dramas that go back 10-20 years or so whereas the actor’s career is only just taking off and so it seems as if she soooo much older even if she’s not. It feels like a 20 year age gap to me.

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez,
I’ve been seeing the actress in dramas that go back 10-20 years or so whereas the actor’s career is only just taking off

i am not crazy about this actress also, but in this drama it’s a good fit. the ML looks even younger than he is and she is just right. i can not imagine you not liking the ML in this (or anywhere else, for that matter), jung hae in -not many can be more adorable. and he is a great actor, i became a fan almost instantaneously.
the drama, as any other drama, has it’s weak points, even very weak – like the ending that many do not want to accept, even that it is a good ending. but the drama itself is worth watching. if not for the first 3/4th.

Beez
Beez
19 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

No thank you. The older female-younger male is a complete turn off for me⚫️

(Is my period at the end of that sentence big enough?)😁

MariaF
MariaF
20 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda @beez
“A wife’s credentials”, SLA and “grapevine” were created by the same writer/ director team.

“Something in the rain” and “one spring night” had the same director, but a different writer.

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

“Something in the rain” and “one spring night” had the same director, but a different writer.

you are right. but i first of all go by the director. the writer can write a lot of stuff, but it is the director’s choice and taste that i usually trust. of course, there are writers that i like their work, but it depends on the director of how he/she is going to present it to us.

MariaF
MariaF
20 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda

the_sweetroad wanted to know if this show and SLA had the same writer/director. I said that there is one more show created by the same team.

I agree that the director’s vision is very important.

I’ve read in more than one interview that actors wanted to ‘act’ more, but the directors told them to act less, to tone it down.

For example, LSK said once that he sometimes felt as if he was ‘doing nothing’ in MM, because the director didn’t let him to be more expressive, etc.

Still, it’s a team work.

The actors could elevate an ordinary writing/directing and make it something else.

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

maria, The actors could elevate an ordinary writing/directing and make it something else.

totally agree, it is a team work, and especially the actors bring their own contribution to the table. but i think the director has the most input with whom he wants to work, and he trusts that the people he has chosen will understand and bring those qualities for which the director has chosen them. that is why, the director and the list of his other projects will be the very first ones i will check when contemplating on a drama. if a writer that i like is also in it, it is a bonus. but if such a director has chosen something to work with, i trust that his interest will be along the line that will interest me. not always, but in many cases it is like this.

Beez
Beez
20 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

Thanks, Maria

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

yes, to both.

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

I first saw a few of them in ‘Something in the rain”. I hated the mother there so much, I was even curious how I’d react to seeing that actress in other shows.

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

well, how did you react? the “mother” is the head secretary in this one. i actually was amazed at the transformation, and also thought that this one was her strongest role of all others from this director.

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda
No problem at all.
I’ve seen her in four shows, and every time she was a totally ‘new person’, so to speak.

uyen
22 days ago

Ugh how SUFFOCATING In Sang’s life must be. And in contrast how loving Bom’s family already seems. I did like that scene where In Sang walks in shaking and just silently points to Bom, and her shocked look – Lee Joon and Go Sung Ah were great in pulling out the emotions. I felt so much for Bom, and she’s a tough one. I hope she gives his family a run for their money

Beez
Beez
22 days ago

Mom’s outburst came out of nowhere. At least I’m sure that’s how Bom viewed it after all the niceties mom began her conversation with. I guess the irony is in mom saying all the right things (that dad told her to say) but then not being able to maintain her facade past her initial sentence. I think this show is a comedy of manners. Where have I heard that genre applied to before? Or where did I pick up that phrase? (Where is @BE when you need him?)

Beez
Beez
22 days ago

How’s that for a different kind of Kdrama opening two episodes? And remember this was in 2015, before Netflix got its grubby paws on Kdrama.

Back then, I never thought I’d see a teen OTP (or adult one for that matter) with the ML on the bed behind FL propping her knees open as their baby made its way into the world into the darkness of an Addams Family style mansion, only much darker. The Addams would’ve been more homey and welcoming, I think.

In sang was hilarious repeating and yelling out whatever Bom said and whatever his sister quoted from the web. While I greatly admire Bom, I can’t help but think In Sang has had about 2 hours max to wrap his head around this and now here he is taking directions from Bom and shouting encouragement.

And later, before they kidnap him, his gentleness toward the baby is very touching. 

Trent
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez — okay, fair, maybe I was being too harsh on Our Boy In-sang. He does get points for showing willing on short notice, and being generally supportive. He’s definitely going to need some spine stiffening lessons, though.

Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  Trent

@Trent – did you hear his school principal say “if your parents find out you’ve been receiving letters, they’re going to micro-manage your life even more than they already do”? That gives us an idea of In sang’s homelife. I have no idea how he managed to go away to the study camp unless he’d been such a model student/kid that his parents had no qualms letting him go. If that’s the case, of course they probably see Bom as this temptress Jezebel.

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

beez, i know what you are asking, but do not think it was explained clearly. we just know he lied to bom, being from a lower middle class family, so she can see him on her own level, and also that he would be able to sleep with her (by his own admission). from what i understand, the camp is not cheap, and his parents paid for it, but bom got in on a scholarship. that’s my understanding.

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

beez, go to the “spoilers” – i am going to post something i just remembered.

Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

👌 lol

Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda – ahhhhh. You’re right about the cost & scholarship. I’m so surprised though that Crazy Parents let In Sang go.

Oh! That reminds me though that in Ep1, Crazy Dad’s secretary (with the sandy hair) told the younger dark haired secretary – “keeping In sang away from finding this girl is part of your duties as bodyguard. That’s why you were sent”. I’m paraphrasing but it was along these lines so that means Crazy Parents didn’t just let In sang go to study camp on his own trustworthiness.

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

i’ll post the reply in “spoilsers”

Trent
21 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez — I’d say it’s pretty much de rigeuer when the son of a wealthy upper class family manages to get a girl from a lower, poorer class background pregnant, the first line of attack is generally going to be “gold-digging hussy”, aka “temptress Jezebel.” So yeah, would not be a bit surprised if that accusation doesn’t get leveled at some point, probably sooner rather than later.

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  Trent

trent,
in-sang is barely 18, but his determination, courage to take this issue head on is way more mature and impressive than a lot of grown ups in the same kind of situation. of course, there is an enormous amount of fear (the suicide in the lake incident), but who can blame him for that? yet, he did get himself together when he saw bom going into the water, and the “male protector” in him was immediately awakened, when he realized that bom and the baby were in danger. i think it is admirable and adorable, although also sprinkled with plenty of humor. but that’s the specialty of this show.
the character developments in this show is going to be one of the best (hope this does not qualify as a spoiler).

Carulhein
Carulhein
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

I agree. I love In Sang. I think he’s very brave. That’s what brave is, isn’t it? Being scared, but doing the right thing anyway? And he’s doing all the right things as far as I’m concerned. Obviously not the lake bit, but he snapped out of it quickly. He and Bom are both adorable. Their kisses are so funny. So innocent and… erratic :):):)

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  Carulhein

carulhein, it’s clear that bom is the boss here, and it’s almost empowering to see a woman in this particular society to be in this position. she completely directs and dominates in the scene of her labor and giving birth, in-sang basically follows her direction to the tee, how can you not adore this young man, still in high school. and him taking the place in bed right behind her, supporting her and basically participating in this birthing process along with her – that scene, i have NO WORDS, really. how many men, there or anywhere else, can and will experience a birthing of their child from that position and being that involved??? even in the most progressive society. and that might be just the drama’s idea, but i would say, it’s worth looking into it seriously. this scene is nothing less than nuclear, in my humble opinion.

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

and that guy did not even know anything about pregnancies or birth (i’m sure about it- it was further from his mind than the earth is from mars). the guy did not even know how to properly use a condom, lol.

but he was able to completely overcome everything. he’s very young, very inexperienced, very spoiled, very rich, very dependent on his parents, because that is how they “baked” him. and yet, he proves here that he has the basis to become… everything that we wish for him to be.

Beez
Beez
20 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

hear! hear! @eda

uyen
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@Beez, that’s a good point, I didn’t even think about 2015 had some very different dramas then we see now! I was still watching with my 2022 lens on. This does give me appreciation for how different this is. Not an easy watch, but interesting

Carulhein
Carulhein
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

Oh my soul yes, it was so funny. And In Sang shouting: @Bom Bom, finghting!!:):)

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

beez, yes, this scene where bom is going into labor and giving birth right there and then – it completely blew me away. it’s done with so much courage, but full of emotions, while crazy funny. from all i know about the glaring “conservatism” of korean society, i could not wrap my head around it – wasn’t it a risk for the writer, director to show us such a daring scene?! it is so provocative and challenges all the rules (written and unwritten) of this society, but on the other hand, as we discussed in SLA, that is what this particular director does, it’s like he’s on a mission – to wake up his fellow citizens.
did you (or anybody else) saw or hear what the writer, director of this show explain this scene?

Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda – I don’t know anything about it. At the time it aired, I couldn’t find any articles about it.

the_sweetroad
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

Omo, that birthing scene took FOREVER! Hahaha. I don’t feel like that would happen in any show these days 🙂

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

@the_sweetroad – not back then either!

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago

KFG, i was so curios to see what you’ll say and what you’ll feel about this particular drama – i was truly dying from curiosity. since i saw it twice, and you are seeing it for the first time, i can’t help it, but i am already salivating from anticipation of everybody taking this crazy insanely comical yet dead serious ride with me. i can almost feel everybody’s pleasures on this journey along with my own. since i know what is coming, but can not talk about it.

 That was quite the ride indeed. -you say.
YES, THE RIDE HAS JUST BEGUN.
but already, i am amazed how accurately you picked up the characters, the situations and even how it would or could go from here. you basically, summed up the essence of the show from the very first two episodes. you will later understand why it amazed me that much, but it truly did.

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

KFG, i loved your comparison of the people picking from all sides to meercats. meercats they ARE!

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Eda, I’m feeling a bit iffy on the actor who plays In Sang. Sometimes his acting seems a bit over the top to me. Or do you think that’s just how the character was written? (Or maybe that’s just everyone in this show!)

The actress who plays Bom is believable, and is doing an amazing job. The rich mom and dad seem a bit caricaturish for now, but I can see that’s how they’re written. In Sang’s melodrama and loud crying seem a bit funny to me…but I will see what happens as the show goes on.

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

sweetroad,
give him some time, and don’t skip, or you are missing a lot of details, which can explain your questions.

and you are right, the drama is full of caricatures, which is actually taking a feature/s and exaggerating it, exploiting it to show to the viewer the main points or failures in the most sarcastic and funny way possible. many characters will be grossly exaggerated here, it is what is needed to make it a successful satire.

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Sounds good. I will give him some time 🙂

BTW – Bom’s dad – I saw him in SLA and also in Lee Sun Kyun’s “The Advocate: Missing Body” movie, and he was a less-than-upstanding character in both. Fun to see him be a lower-class, loving father here in HITTG.

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

sweetroad,
Bom’s dad ,
i have a kind of allergy to this actor, he irritates me, since his character in SLA, i could not stomach him. and now that feeling stuck with me, in every other drama i saw him (a few). i guess it is not really fair. it’s interesting how you get attached to some characters, in a positive way or negative, and it can stay with you.

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Totally get it – I have my own allergies to certain people. If it helps, this same actor is also in Dear My Friends as one of the main characters’ love interests. He’s very sweet in that one. Wow – I can’t believe I’ve seen him in four shows/movies now.

You know who I can’t watch for too long? This same male actor’s wife in SLA (the young wife who goes for the younger guys). I can’t stop staring at her nose. It’s very jarring for me.

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

@the_sweetroad

I can’t stop staring at her nose.

Lol.

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

You know who I can’t watch for too long? This same male actor’s wife in SLA (the young wife who goes for the younger guys).
ya, her character is pretty appalling there, but she is hardly recognizable in let’s say doctor john (where she’s very elegant, high on the professional scale, and in line with the FL in SLA, or moon shik’s wife, this kind). so it’s kind of interesting. may be you’ll get over her nose, if you check out her character in doctor john. (with ji sung, another one that i adore)

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Ha! OK, I will see if I can find it and watch some of her scenes.

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

sweetroad,
she’s the mother of the FL. a doctor, and chief of the department, or even entire hospital, it was a while, so i do not remember. i think it’s not difficult to find this drama. check viki.

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

I could be wrong, but @eda – are you confusing the actor who plays Bom’s dad with the cuckholded hubby in SLA?

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  Beez

i am talking about jang hyun sung, who was married to this actress in SLA, and who’s nose freaks out sweatroad (the woman’s i mean). he was the disgusting conniving attorney for the old rich dud, who owns everything, and he’s the father of that woman. this same actor (who i can not stand), is bom’s dad here.

Beez
Beez
20 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Ohhh! I didn’t remember that he was in SLA at all.

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  Beez

beez, I didn’t remember that he was in SLA

he’s the most disgusting character in SLA, he was a master manipulator, his sister was a music professor in the same foundation, together with the not less disgusting husband of our FL, he tricked the FL, then pretended to make a deal with her, then betrayed her. his smirk is stuck with me, and follows him whatever drama he appears in. it’s not fair, but i can’t shake it off.

Beez
Beez
20 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda – usually if they get a role different enough, I can eventually shake off an evil/annoying character. The Amazing Dad in Healer annoyed me to no end in The Great Merchant and I never thought I would be able to stomach watching him in anything else but now, as you know, I love him too pieces.

the_sweetroad
19 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

That’s right! His sister, the conservatory prof! She was so awful to that sweet cellist student.

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

@the_sweetroad

he was a less-than-upstanding character in both. Fun to see him be a lower-class, loving father here in HITTG.

That’s exactly how I feel!

He was also a “less-than-upstanding character” in “Wife’s credentials’ (the same director/writer).

j3ffc
j3ffc
22 days ago

More on the show to come, but right now let’s get this out of the way:

Creedence Clearwater Revival,
Gladys Knight and the Pips, or
Marvin Gaye?

My vote
All great, but though I grew up on CCR’s version and Gladys is always awesome, Marvin Gaye’s is just about as good as a record gets.

Trent
22 days ago
Reply to  j3ffc

j3ffc — this is heavily dependent on the particular song, but personally I’d go with CCR, most likely

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  Trent

what is CCR?

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Creedence Clearwater Revival 🙂

Last edited 21 days ago by the_sweetroad
eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

thanks.

j3ffc
j3ffc
21 days ago
Reply to  Trent

Ah, I was unclear. I was specifically asking about which version of “I Heard It Through the Grapevine” was preferred!

Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  j3ffc

Gladys Knight!

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  j3ffc

Haha, I’m so used to Marvin Gaye’s version so I’ll have to go with that. But I didn’t even realize CCR and Gladys Knight did the song as well!

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

I don’t know about CCR’s version (Is that them on the Raisin Bran commercial?) But Gladys Knight’s version came out before Marvin Gaye’s. I bought the 45.

j3ffc
j3ffc
19 days ago
Reply to  Beez

Right you are! Creedence’s version is a rock variation of Gaye’s, with a couple of long (but pretty good) guitar solos. I remember it being a very wide band on the LP… The California Raisins (!) were all studio folks re-creating Marvin’s version.

the_sweetroad
19 days ago
Reply to  j3ffc

Omo, that California Raisins commercial is so vivid in my memory! Thanks for the reminder 🙂

Trent
22 days ago

Yeah, wow, so this was a heck of a couple of opening episodes. Obviously this is leaning heavily into the satire/dark comedy vibe (which to be fair, is how it’s advertised up front, so it’s not like a surprise or anything), and I think you’re right that we need to get tuned into that frequency or it could be pretty rough sledding. Because it’s already clear that there’s going to be some OTT shenanigans, probably quite a few.

As I was watching, one thing I was really wondering is how much cross-conversation there was about this when SKY Castle came out; I wasn’t around when SKY Castle was first airing (end of 2018), but curious if there was any acknowledgment or analysis of the two shows sharing a similar lineage or touching on similar themes (this is only a guess at this point, having just seen the first two episodes of a thirty episode show, but even so it seems to me like that satirical/dark comedy look at the machinations of the wealthy upper class and their plotting for and on behalf of the rising generation, the attempt to perpetuate status and privilege, etc. vibes quite similarly in both shows).

So of course Seo Bom is great… level-headed, smart, determined to make it all work out and actually with a shot at doing so just because she has family support and a lot of moxie. So also of course, it’s kind of enragifying to see here getting entangled with a house full of toxic upper class twits who are going to derail all her carefully laid plans with their nonsense. Grrr. I know where my rooting interest is laid, right from the start…Don’t let the bastards grind you down, Bom Bom!!

And then we have Our Boy In-sang, whose middle name, alas, appears to be “Feckless.” (A middle name that he seems to share with the majority of teenage boys, unfortunately, who carry a very high proportion of fecklessness among their numbers; as a previous member of the group, I feel qualified to make such judgments). Yes, yes, he’s just been blindsided with the news that he’s about to become a father, I get it, but even in his non-gobsmacked moments, he is not exactly inspiring a lot of confidence with his impressive aura. Feckless, like I said. One can hope that he will go on a Journey, in which he will cultivate both a Spine and some Good Judgment, and acquire some Feck, so he will no longer be quite so Feckless…

Very curious to see how this develops. I anticipate a fair amount of yelling at the screen, as assorted Upper Class Twits and their enablers and hangers-on attempt to grind our young couple into meek cogs in the Land of Upper Class Twitdom. Don’t give in, y’all!! I’m rooting for you!

Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  Trent

@Trent – I didn’t watch Sky Castle But I bet there wasn’t much comparison.. The reason being nobody saw Grapevine at the time it aired or even later. Has been very few people that I’ve run across who actually watched it (or even heard of it). That’s why I’m so grateful that KFG has decided to choose this drama as a group watch. Just so happy to see what everyone will think of it

@eda – what madeyou decide to watch it?

Last edited 22 days ago by Beez
Trent
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez — here’s the thing. I know that it may feel like no one saw this, and truth is, I hadn’t really heard of it before y’all started talking it up (which doesn’t necessarily mean squat, of course, since what do I know?).

BUT.. if you look at the ratings, it peaked at 11.3%, with an overall average of just over 9%. Which okay, is not particularly amazing for a drama on a public broadcast station like SBS, but it’s also not nothing. I mean, there were people watching this….

And more importantly: THIS SHOW WON BEST DRAMA AT THE BAEKSANG ARTS AWARDS for the year it came out… and Go Ah-sung won best new actress. It swept the SBS drama awards, and picked up a couple other random awards at other shows, too. So we can’t just say it was a nothing show that no one paid attention to…even if it kinda “feels” that way. Someone, several someones, was definitely paying attention to it.

Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  Trent

@Trent – yeah, but they weren’t watching on any blogs that I know or came across in the multitude of forums that I used to frequent back in the day. It’s funny how what Koreans in S.K. watch versus what western fans watch. (Healer didn’t do well in S.K. but western and other Asian countries loved it.)

As to the ratings, I don’t usually pay attention to the numbers but I have read the reviews (for other shows ratings) and 11% for a show on a major network is was dismal. Even cable shows couldn’t survive ratings that low back in the day. Granted I’m judging that based on what reviewers were saying about other shows I loved (Come Back Ahjusshi, for example, was heavily critcized for its 10%-11% ratings and it was on a cable network) My heart was breaking for it. 😔

Again, I know I have no real evidence other than me searching and searching the web to find anybody talking about this show and only finding the quietest of little blogs covering it with zero comments because it seemed no one else was watching. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Last edited 22 days ago by Beez
Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

CORRECTION; I just looked it up and Come Back Ahjusshi was also on SBS. And I distinctly remember all the buzz in articles about how the ratings at 10% and 11% were horrible and that it couldn’t survive, etc.

Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  kfangurl

Yes, I was surprised to hear it won at Baeksangn which is impressive (although I do feel it is deserving); but the SBS awards just means a show is the best of their offerings that year.

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

beez, i always check everything on a drama that i consider watching – the whole production crew, what kind of work did they produce before, each actor separate, and of course i check all the awards and how did the koreans or the international viewers reacted to this. i hardly ever rely or even read reviews before watching, many times after, just to check if other people agree or disagree with my opinions. you might be the only one that i discuss such things in detail.

Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Awwww. Glad I’m in your personal inner circle and I’m honored. 🥰

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

daaah!

the_sweetroad
22 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

You guys are so cute!

eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

the reason i do not read other reviews or comments on a drama before watching it is because i do not want to contaminate my brain. i prefer to be totally independent in my judgment.

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@Eda

Somehow it makes no difference to me whether I read reviews before or after watching a show.

Either way, more often than not I end up thinking “Have we watched the same show?”.

SLA reviews convinced me to give the show a chance: I wasn’t a fan of May/December romances.

Last edited 21 days ago by MariaF
eda harris
eda harris
21 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

maria,
SLA reviews convinced me to give the show a chance: I wasn’t a fan of May/December romances.

ok, but if you check the actors, just YAI there (i can’t imagine you not liking him) could have convinced you to give it a try + other pretty impressive actors. and if you saw something of this director, that might be another push. but that precisely why i do not like to read about a show, because i might not like the theme. but you never know… it depends on the presentation. like i usually do not like science fiction, travel , crime… but i absolutely loved seo bok and reset. not my cups of tea, but i did not know prior to watching, and so was pleasantly surprised.

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Those were early days. I hadn’t heard of YAI or KHA until I watched SLA. I hadn’t heard of the director either.

YAI surprised me. He was the first young ML who wasn’t acting all “cute and adorable”.

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

YAI surprised me. He was the first young ML who wasn’t acting all “cute and adorable”.

interesting enough, yai deliberately chooses roles and is not afraid, where he has to look ugly, deranged, abused or an abuser.. (dramas and movies) but they are the most interesting, diving into the very guts of human society, psychology, and the most complex behaviors. in that way i consider him the most interesting actor of all.

MariaF
MariaF
20 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@Eda
Totally agree!

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

understood. I glance at reviews but if they starr to go into detail, I close them and mark them to come back to after I’ve seen the show.

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

beez, i fell HOPELESSLY in love with the director’s work (actually the whole production) in SLA, and wanted to see more. so it was something in the rain and one spring night, which i loved both. still wanted to see more, and merij told me about this one, heard it through the grapevine, which he himself did not see but heard from somebody that it was very good. and the rest is history, and then i was so glad that i could share my enthusiasm with you. we both thought that it will be a great one to have as a group discussion, but we did not believe that we can pull it off. but we did, YEI!

Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

I’m pretty sure that Merij1 heard it from me as I always push pretty hard for people to watch this and Healer. 😁

the_sweetroad
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

I’m watching this one because of you and Eda, Beez. And I’m with you, I always push hard for people to watch Healer…and My Mister, when they’re ready 🙂

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

full circle, no less.

Beez
Beez
22 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda – This explains your need for excellent quality in your dramas. I almost wish you’d started with some fluff, then your expectations (especially for more realism in the bedroom, etc.) wouldn’t be so high now. 😅😂🤣

eda harris
eda harris
22 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez,
I almost wish you’d started with some fluff

could not have happened, having a “councilor on all korean” as you.

the_sweetroad
21 days ago
Reply to  Trent

Yes, yes, he’s just been blindsided with the news that he’s about to become a father, I get it, but even in his non-gobsmacked moments, he is not exactly inspiring a lot of confidence with his impressive aura. Feckless, like I said. One can hope that he will go on a Journey, in which he will cultivate both a Spine and some Good Judgment, and acquire some Feck, so he will no longer be quite so Feckless…

This was just brilliant, Trent. 🙂

One thing I love about some dramas is how they just drop you into a certain point at a person’s life, and you know they’re going to develop and grow during the show (well, hopefully). In Sang is definitely not inspiring any confidence in me right now, either (not actually sure what Bom saw in him, actually – is that terrible to say?!!) but as time goes on hopefully more of his mettle will come out. Hopefully.

Beez
Beez
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

@Trent @The_sweetroad – wow! You guys are tough.

Trent
21 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez –hey, let’s just say he’s got a lot of upside potential, yeah?

MariaF
MariaF
21 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

@the_sweetroad

not actually sure what Bom saw in him, actually

I also wondered. Maybe she was seduced by his brilliant mind.

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

not actually sure what Bom saw in him, actually

hey guys, love is blind! they are both young and impressionable, and wait for him to prove himself. may be her intuition did not make a mistake… just saying.

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

sweetroad, see my reply to carulhein here, may be you’ll soften up to in sang.

Beez
Beez
20 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@the_Sweetroad
“he is not exactly inspiring a lot of confidence”.

I think that he’s not supposed to. He’s just a boy and I think he has reacted well considering. Can you picture any boy in any society faced with the exact same circumstances? Rich or poor doesn’t matter. Sex 1 time and now, it’s not your girlfriend that you “see” on the regular saying “I’m 3 week/months pregnant”, it’s full blown “baby is darn near here and then here! lol (And he knows his parents’ attitude toward marriage plans as all these rich kids do. No wonder he contemplated the river.)

eda harris
eda harris
20 days ago
Reply to  Beez

beez,  it’s full blown “baby is darn near here and then here! 

exactly.

the_sweetroad
19 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@eda and @beez, Yeah, I’m sure I’ll soften up to him as the show goes on. After all, he has to learn to be a dad and it already seems like he adores Bom and his baby.

And you’re right, Beez – the advanced stage of Bom’s pregnancy shocked everyone in In Sang’s family! That was pretty crazy for both the adults and their young son.