Spoiler Zone: Healer Episodes 17 & 18

Welcome to the Spoiler Zone, everyone!

This is for those of you who want to discuss spoilers, from a “I’ve seen the show and WOW now I’m noticing all these other details in retrospect” sort of angle.

Here’s a Spoiler Zone for you to dig as deep as you’d like, into spoiler territory, WITHOUT the need for spoiler tags or other warnings.

My only request is, PLEASE BE EXTRA MINDFUL OF WHERE YOU ARE COMMENTING. Meaning, please don’t get mixed up, and start talking spoilers in the Open Thread, which could seriously mar the watch experience for a new viewer, OR, a viewer who would really prefer to have the rewatch feel as fresh as possible.

Other than that, READER BEWARE: SPOILERS AHEAD!!!

For the main discussion of episodes 17 & 18, which only deals with spoilers up to the point of the group watch, go here.

ENJOY YOUR SPOILER ZONE, MY FRIENDS! ❤️

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the_sweetroad
1 month ago

Hello everyone,
I *was* glad to see that my initial impression of Moon Shik had been wrong – you’re all right in that he didn’t seem to have anything to do with the baddies when Gil Han died. Still weird that the show made him seem pretty ambivalent in that scene at the junkyard, though.

I started watching some of Ep 19. When Myung Hee leaves Moon Shik (after making him a huge breakfast!), she says, “I didn’t belong anywhere in this world back then. Thank you for giving me a place.” And I could see how important it was that Moon Shik had done what he needed to do to stay alive and make sure she was taken care of. He really was caught in a bad place (even though I hate all the heartache his false testimony caused with Jung Hoo, Young Shin, and Myung Hee in the aftermath. And I hate his smug sliminess).

This brings up a question, though – did Jun Seok know Myung Hee had been hit by a car? Could he and his wife have taken care of Myung Hee? He probably would have still gone to the police station to give a witness testimony for Gil Han’s death. But he would have thought he would emerge alive. I mention it because Myung Hee did still have them as friends in the very short time before Jun Seok was poisoned.

Also – even if Myung Hee had made it clear she would never be Moon Shik’s woman or love him, do you guys think they shared a bed? Every time Moon Shik goes into the bedroom, she’s only on one side of the bed and there would be room for him :). But overall it does seem like it’s her bedroom.

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

@the_sweetroad

An interesting question about Jun Seok and his wife. I doubt they would’ve abandoned MH, but they probably wouldn’t have had the means to take good care of her. My understanding is that satisfying her medical needs required a lot of money.

Re MH sharing a bed with MS. First of all, Yuck.
And I think it’s just a matter of convenience/practicality. She is half-paralyzed. It’s probably easier to get on and off the bed, when she is on one side of it.

Last edited 1 month ago by MariaF
the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

I doubt they would’ve abandoned MH, but they probably wouldn’t have had the means to take good care of her. My understanding is that satisfying her medical needs required a lot of money.

That’s where my thoughts were landing as well.

Re MH sharing a bed with MS. First of all, Yuck.

Yup. Sorry to make everyone’s minds go there. 😆

It’s probably easier to get on and off the bed, when she is on one side of it.

Ah, true. Thanks.

Last edited 1 month ago by the_sweetroad
eda harris
eda harris
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

we always knew you are the practical one among us, maria.

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda
Well, I had to choose between being practical and allowing a possibility of some hanky-panky going on between MH and MS.

eda harris
eda harris
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

 I had to choose between being practical and allowing a possibility of some hanky-panky going on between MH and MS.
and you almost always make the right choice (notice “almost”), if i would have been a korean (but i am merely influenced by koreans), i would have had a bowl (instead of a glass, like we do it in the west) of soju and said to maria: bottoms up!

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

Jung hoo’s dad would’ve had no opportunity to even know about what happened to Myung hee. Although it’s not explicitly said, The Elder’s goons would have gone after Myung hee after Gil han was already hemmed up at the police station, if not already dead. The Elder realized that the friends had discovered his operation is what puts everything in motion. Gil han is dead, Jeon sook is at the police station and Moon shik calls to warn Myung hee to get out of the house. (Moon shik may have called her as soon as they were running from the scene of Gil han’s death, but either way, Jeon sook was not walking around free in any position to take care of Myung hee even if he’d had the funds, which we know he didn’t. But the timeline doesn’t fit for Jeon sookn to take care of Myung hee (and we know his wife, apparently, couldn’t even be bothered to take care of her own healthy son, so a bedridden Myung hee is out of the question.)

the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  beez

Thanks @beez. I had thought that Moon Shik called Myung Hee the same night that Gil Han died, since she and Ji An seemed so calm (and not in mourning) – they seemed to not know that Gil Han had died, but were waiting for him to come home. I need to watch that scene again.

But you’re right, Jun Seok wasn’t in any position to care for Myung Hee at that point, wherever he was.

And I had to chuckle – you really are not a fan of Jung Hoo’s mom.

Last edited 1 month ago by the_sweetroad
eda harris
eda harris
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

you really are not a fan of Jung Hoo’s mom.
you are not kidding, who is a fan?

the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  eda harris

It seems like adult Jung Hoo is. For some reason. 🙂

eda harris
eda harris
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

It seems like adult Jung Hoo is

it’s his duty as a son in the korean society, to love, respect and protect his mom, no buts or ifs. it’s like in behavioral psychology, if the behavior (pavlov’s) is enforced, the person starts having it as a given, as part of his nature (or something like this, i studied it many many years ago, in russia, so my memory on it is not that precise). but what i am trying to say is it might have started for healer as a duty and slowly transformed into a warmer feeling toward his mom, or simply a mom loves her son and the son loves his mom, and it’s a given. i suspect he knows nothing or very little about the details of his abandonment by his mom. with all the current developments he might learn the truth, and then who knows. but i am not even convinced that it is really love that he feels towards his mother. there could not have been a deep connection, as they rarely met or spoke. plus he only hears some stories about her life, her son, her husband. he is not part of it. so how much can there be?

the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  eda harris

Yup, I can totally see all of this, Eda. Good points! Plus he was so starved for attention as a kid that whenever the opening with his mom came back up (to have a relationship again) I imagine he took it.

I was just saying that Jung Hoo seems like a fan of his mom, even though none of us are. 🙂 🙂

Last edited 1 month ago by the_sweetroad
MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

You are right. For quite some time Healer’s family substitute was that picture. Now he has a mom, whose presence at least creates an illusion of having a family.

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  eda harris

even outside Korean society. Kids, for the most part, love their moms, even the bad and evil ones.

This remind me that during Chuno’s rewatch some were saying that General Hwang (dubbed “Vader”) must not be too bad because he loved and cared for his mother. Who doesn’t care for their own mother? (Even Jeffrey Dahlmer didn’t eat his own mother for brunch!) That doesn’t mean he [Gen. Hwang] wouldn’t slice yours open if she were in the way even if he could easily just shove her aside.

@MariaF – I know, I know. I’m not calling Healer’s mom the same type of evil as Gen. Hwang, but I’m not not calling her evil.

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  beez

@beez
I haven’t seen Chuno yet.
Believe me, I would’ve found it more troubling, if you were her fan.

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

😆
But 😥 that you haven’t seen Chuno! yet. “Must see tv”. And MariaF, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but I don’t recommend things unless they’re stellar. I might say “Oh. Yeah. I liked it.” or “It’s good.” But I don’t recommend unless I know without a doubt that it’s not wasting someone’s precious Kdrama watching hours.

I highly recommend watching Chuno! (Aka The Slave Hunters).

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  beez

I think I will. Thank you for the recommendation.

I haven’t watched new shows for a while. If I going to start again, I’d rather watch a great show, like Chuno.

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

I know it’s weird, but I’m excited to know another person will get to appreciate what I ❤

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  beez

It’s not weird at all. I totally get it.

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

I haven’t watched Chuno! quite as many times as Healer but almost.
In fact, if I were making a top 5 list, I can never decide which one gets the #1 spot. So much so that I have to categorize them as Healer is my #1 modern day and Chuno! is my #1 saeguk.

eda harris
eda harris
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

maria, i did just watched chuno, under heavy influence of beez, of course. but do watch it, and then we can chat about it. i’d love, love, love to have some exchanges on that drama with no other than YOU. really.

the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  eda harris

under heavy influence of beez

😁

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

Hey! I don’t deny it. Anyone I meet that tells me they’re relatively new to Kdrama – I insist they aren’t a real fan of Kdrama until they’ve seen Healer and Chuno!

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  eda harris

I guess I have no choice. Although you almost blew it, saying in another comment, that I’m not always right.

eda harris
eda harris
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

sorry, it’s just my opinion. i am sure you think that i am not always right either. so, it’s mutual. but … i still love to hear your opinions.

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  beez

Right. The timeline was murky for me. Thanks for clarifying it. But they were friends, so Jeon sook wouldn’t have abandoned MH, had he survived.

But beez, I’d like to ask for mercy towards Healer’s mom. She is just a puppet after all, and the writers held the strings. And we kind of agreed, that they didn’t do a good job.

Last edited 1 month ago by MariaF
beez
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

@MariaF – Nope. I never agreed. 😆 If you recall I felt her tears are real because even bad mothers love their children but that the reasons for her tears are for her own narcissistic selfish self (for her own boo-hoo-poor-me-that-I’m-confronted-with-my-shortcomings feelings alone) and are useless for Jung hoo’s situation.

From what I’ve seen in life, she’s written very true to form.

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  beez

@beez
Her tears were real, but her illogical excuses and MH’s forgiving attitude, along with the writer’s comment “It doesn’t matter why she left”, somehow made me hate her less.😊

Last edited 1 month ago by MariaF
beez
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

Sorry. Can’t do it.

eda harris
eda harris
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

no mercy for her or the writers. i can even find excuses for moon shik, but THIS mother?! excuse me. but may be the writers intended just that, so we don’t find excuses for her being able to be alarmed or take care of mh, as well as even take care of her own son. they did it with such ironclad finality for her character, that we are left with only one feeling – disgust.

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  eda harris

Here! Here!

eda harris
eda harris
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

unless you are a fly on the wall in that bedroom, you would not know. it could have been both ways, but unfortunatelly for moon shik – no sex, no matter where, not matter how.

the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  eda harris

Rough life. And I definitely do not want to be a fly in that bedroom, or in that house. I can’t stand people like Moon Shik. Or his secretary. The cookies would be nice though.

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

Lol

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

@the_sweetroad
It’s totally unrelated to this discussion, but I have to ask: do you think something strange is going on in the last MM thread? I posted a few new comments there, but now I’m too scared to look…

Last edited 1 month ago by MariaF
the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

I was thinking the exact same thing, MariaF. I still subscribe to the thread, but my inbox has been flooded with lots of posts, from several new people (new to the thread, at least), which seems strange since the thread was so quiet for so long. There have also been a lot of repetitive posts – I think one user is replying to many of our older posts with the same kinds of ideas. So I read KFG’s new commenting policies with a lot of interest :). It’s difficult to know where to start re-engaging with the newer posts, so I’m just leaving it for now.

the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

Thanks, KFG – I was wondering! 🙂

And uh oh….the 3 strikes policy has actually been executed…that sounds serious. 😅 Thank you. Moderating a website has its less-fun moments, but it’s necessary and we do appreciate it!

Last edited 1 month ago by the_sweetroad
the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

Oh, my inbox is flooded every day with posts from the Healer threads, so that’s not a problem! It was just so many posts from so many “new” people for a hitherto-quiet MM world that got my attention :).

Thanks for your hard work! 👍

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

Awww. Shucks. While I’m not following the MM thread, I still saw (and deleted) all the new chatter, and I thought “See, isn’t it great that KFG never closes down the threads because as new people discover a show, those of us enthusiastic about a show will still respond to the newbies.”

Bubble busted.

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

Oh, I know and trust that you weren’t striking out ⚾ people willy-nilly and that there had to have been good reason.

I’m just so glad that I didn’t do as I usually do and respond to @the_sweetroad and @MariaF about how they should go on and answer the poor newbie who’s late to the threads, without first reading more. I’m glad I did notice the other email notifications were close enough together that I was able to read what you said first.

the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

I’m glad you saw that they were passionate and verging on aggression. That’s what I thought, too, but I thought I was just being overly sensitive.

the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

No worries! I quickly noticed that they seemed to be arguing with almost everyonet, not just me! Pulling back to observe (rather than engage) was helpful. It was all strange, though, right? 🙂 (No need to respond, just a rhetorical question.)

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

@the_sweetroad – Darn it! Now that nosy, gossipy, part of me wishes is read the emails without depleting them! 😁

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

Wow! KFG! So glad we’re simpatico that you could read and make out what I said through my aggressive swypos!

But what’s the point in going there if you already cleaned up all the juicy bits. 😆

Last edited 1 month ago by beez
beez
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

I’ll need to remember that as, so far, I’ve resisted the urge to do just that. oops! ☺️

eda harris
eda harris
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

sweetroad, i am not getting emails, so i did not see all these new comments, but am curious. can you tell me which episodes of MM are they on, or is it all episodes? i’ll look it up.
thanks.

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  eda harris

@Eda
Mainly the last MM thread. Also, some of those comments had links to comments in other threads. I personally didn’t click on any of those links, so I don’t know where else these comments are.

the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF
MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

Thank you KFG!

I also wondered about the new commenting policy, especially since you mentioned duplicate posts and “multiple personalities.”

That was an interesting experience. While the new posts do have some valid points, I’ve got an overall impression that the commenter is obsessed with DH, really hates his wife, feels she doesn’t deserve him, and nothing short of saying “She deserves to die. So, let’s go” will satisfy them.

the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

Which is why I was galvanized into formalizing the commenting policy, in order to have actual guidelines to enforce. 😅

Hope you got to release some endorphins :).

A question, then – how does it work – will the commenter still be able to see his/her old comments on the thread but not be able to post anymore? Or will they be blocked from even seeing all comment sections from across your blog?

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

@KFG
I just posted a short comment there. It could serve as a bait. Let’s see what happens 😊

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  kfangurl

Lol.
Yes, I hope so too.

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

Well it certainly baited me – hook, line and sinker! I couldn’t resist commenting behind it!

beez
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

@MariaF – I suppose this means I’ll have to stop referring to Junghoo’s mom as “skank” and “Betrayor Mom” and “BM”. 🤭
I’ll see if I can come up with milder descriptors for her.

(Wish there were subscript so I could mumble about here though.)

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  beez

@beez
It doesn’t bother me at all. And if that mother were a real person, she would’ve definitely deserved to be called these names.

MariaF
MariaF
1 month ago
Reply to  the_sweetroad

Yes. I was contemplating whether to continue commenting, and also decided to pause for a bit.

But now it’s ok to comment again! And I just had a thought! 😊

the_sweetroad
1 month ago
Reply to  MariaF

Yay! Go for it and I will see it right away as I’m still subscribed :). And I still have your comment to respond to from a few days ago. I was waiting until all the other posts settled down.