Welcome to the Open Thread, everyone! Can you believe we are already at the end? 🥲 Thank you so much, for joining me on the journey of watching this very special, very amazing show. ❤️
Some announcements, before we begin:
1. There is no Spoiler Zone this week, since this is the final Open Thread. You can discuss everything about the show now, without spoiler tags!
2. If you’d like to check out my review of Someday Or One Day, you can find it here.
3. I’ve put up a brainstorming post on what we should watch next as a community, you can check it out here, and share your inputs too!
Augh. What a show, you guys. WHAT A SHOW.
I love so many things about this finale, and that love isn’t dampened at all, by the fact that this is my second watch, and my first watch was only a little over a year ago.
First of all, I love that Show sticks to its internal fantasy rules, and yet, doesn’t write itself into a corner. It sticks to those rules, AND solves the conundrum that it’s introduced for our characters, of that eternal time loop, where they’ve been suffering, cycle after cycle, of loving yet leaving each other.
As all of this unfolds, I can’t help but marvel at Show’s attention to detail. There were reasons for so many things, when I think about it.
The reason Mo Junjie was written as a character who’s deaf in one ear, is so that he’d be able to lip-read, and that’s proven to be pivotal, this last hour, when he’d spotted Yunru talking to herself (well, Yuxuan) on the rooftop.
If he hadn’t seen her and been able to lip-read, in order to get the gist of what she’d been saying, he wouldn’t have been able to be there, at the critical moment, to save Yunru/Yuxuan, in the end.
And, the reason Yuxuan was written as keeping Ziwei’s beat-up old car, aside from sentimental reasons, is so that she’d have a way to easily play that cassette tape, after giving up hope on the Walkman. In 2019, it’d be hard to find a car with a cassette player – unless you’re stubbornly holding onto an old car, because it had belonged to your late boyfriend.
Also – what a great twist, that it was never the Walkman that had allowed all the time-travel; it had always been the cassette. It’s just something that we hadn’t thought to question, because the two always worked together. I thought that was clever.
It also occurs to me, that while I’d personally found Ziwei’s encounter with little lost Yuxuan a little too protracted and cheesy, it finally makes sense in our final scene, why Ziwei had been written to meet little Yuxuan, and take her around on his motorbike. It’s so that we could have that final scene, of Ziwei riding with Yuxuan – both little and then not-so-little – into the sunset.
I’m sure there are more details that I haven’t mentioned, but just this handful of things already thoroughly illustrates how well thought-through this story was, from the very beginning.
I mean, sure, we don’t ever find out why Junjie’s hearing aid was at the scene where Yunru was attacked, but that’s a relatively small detail that I’m willing to overlook, in favor of all these other details, that Show has painstakingly mapped out, in order to give us a cohesive, organic story. I love it.
The other thing is, I love how, even as all the mental gymnastics around the details kicks into its full glory, the emotional heft is still so unwavering and strong, in this show.
I felt so much for our characters, watching this finale.
I felt sorry for Yunru, for having suffered all this rejection, resulting in her desire to die (although, isn’t it mind-trippy, that Yunru’s desire to die had so much to do with Yuxuan, when Yuxuan’s trip to the past, had so much to do with trying to stop Yunru’s death?).
I can only imagine how small it makes you feel, to have everyone in your life tell you that they prefer the new you (who isn’t you at all), because the old you (which really is you) is not good company at all. That’s hard for anyone at any age, and it must be even harder for a young teenager who only wants to feel accepted and loved.
I felt sorry for Ziwei, who looks so broken, now that he thinks that he will never see Yuxuan again. And I felt sorry for Yunru, when Ziwei turns away from her, even though I understand why he can’t face her. THE ANGST. It hurts so good. 💔
I also felt sorry for Yuxuan, because it must be horrible to realize that everything you’ve done has only hurt the person you were trying to save. It must have been a huge weight on Yuxuan’s conscience, to realize that her actions in 1998 had only served to strengthen Yunru’s desire to die.
Last but not least, I felt sorry for Class Monitor, who must have been so shocked to come to, to find himself on the verge of killing Yunru.
Because of all these things, as well as all the other things that we’ve seen unfold before, I can understand why Yuxuan feels that the best thing to do, is to destroy the cassette.
After all that’s happened, it’s become clear to Yuxuan that she needs to stop this cycle, so that Yunru won’t be attacked by Creepy Psychiatrist, and Junjie won’t be jailed for Yunru’s murder, and end up killing himself, and Ziwei won’t be killed by Creepy Psychiatrist.
Put into context like that, it’s easy – though still painful – to see why Yuxuan would choose to break the cycle and risk losing Ziwei forever.
While it looks like she’s risking losing her love, in fact, she’s really using her love, to do something greater than any of us could have originally imagined. She’s using her love to save them all – even if it means the possibility of losing this love, in the end. It’s mind-trippy and poignant and altogether moving, at the same time.
I love that moment when Yuxuan-as-Yunru exits the building, and without her having to say a word, Ziwei recognizes her.
Augh. That really gets me in the heart. Their love truly has nothing to do with appearance, and it’s touching and.. foundational, to me, that they would know each other so instinctively, because they recognize each other’s essence, and do not need to be guided by physical appearance.
It makes sense to me that Yuxuan would give the job of destroying the cassette, to Junjie. Among them all, he’d be the most motivated to stop the cycle, in order to protect Yunru. She could count on him not to chicken out, basically.
On the other hand, she and Ziwei have so much to lose in this, that it would be too hard, I think, for either of them to destroy the cassette. After all, this means that Yuxuan won’t be able to come back to the past to meet Ziwei, and he wouldn’t get to know her and fall in love with her, and he wouldn’t seek her out, as Quansheng, and build a life with her.
That goodbye scene on the beach is so heartbreakingly poignant, because we know that this is goodbye – possibly for forever. Although Ziwei promises to never forget Yuxuan, there really are no guarantees. He can’t be sure that he will remember her, when breaking the cycle means that his memory will be wiped of her existence.
While some viewers may take this ending as a tragic one, where Yuxuan and Ziwei give up their love for the sake of something greater and more important than themselves, I personally have a more hopeful view of their future together.
It’s why it’s so important to me, to have Show lay out this idea, that Ziwei and Yuxuan are drawn to each other, and know each other on sight, regardless of the circumstances and their physical trappings.
This allows me to comfort myself with the thought that, in this new future that they will now build for the first time, they will somehow find each other and recognize each other, just like they always have.
All I need, is to know that they exist in the same timeline, and cross paths in that timeline, and Show gives that to us, right at the end. Now that I know that Ziwei does meet little Yuxuan in his timeline, I can have a positive hope that this will eventually become the way they find each other, all over again. ❤️
Show’s makers shot and released this bonus scene after the drama wrapped, and I like to think of this as extra assurance, for those of us who want to believe that Ziwei and Yuxuan eventually find each other. ❤️
Eee! Ziwei and a teenaged Yuxuan, together in the same space? I’ll take it!
They’re not together romantically (thankfully, coz Yuxuan’s still just a teenager and I’d like to think that Ziwei’s not a cradle-snatcher), but this connection and obvious mutual soft spot aligns with the idea that these two are simply drawn to each other, regardless of the timeline or circumstances.
Plus, this set-up definitely opens up the possibility for more to develop between them, in the future. I do like that thought a lot. ❤️
JJ shared this amazing medley with me, where this duo cover the songs from the opening and closing credits, and it’s SO WELL DONE, y’all. 🤩🤩 The way they weave between the two songs is so clever, yet they make it sound so natural as well. Please enjoy. ❤️
Amen to all of the comments, including those from second-timers like @manukajoe and @Leslie – I got more out of this on watch #2.
See you all on the next group watch….
Loved the second watch as much as the first (and understood a whole lot more). The OTP made it for me, not only their honest relationship, but the acting demands on each of them to be 3+ different versions of themselves. Music also brilliant, don’t forget the outro song (Miss You 3000).
But just how did little Huang Yuxuan get SO lost it took half a day and a long scooter ride to get her home? Huh? 😜
I really liked this show the first time I watched it, but loved it the second time. The difference is KFG’s succinct and always helpful summaries, and the quality of the discussion in the Group Watch that helped me stay anchored in the narrative.
First watch, I enjoyed the overall story and vibe of the show, but missed so many details and connections, that were key for how the drama hangs together so beautifully. First watch, I don’t think I knew where things had landed at the end, so felt less hopeful and satisfied than I did with this one. So, thank you everyone.
I really loved this show and the way it managed to be twisty and complicated without ever losing sight of the humanity of the characters. The one thing that bothered me though was that way it dropped Quan Sheng’s story. Every other character gets a second chance (or the possibility of one), but the one queer character still ends up dead. As challenging as it would have been to shift that arc within the “rules” of the world, I was hoping that a drama committed to showing the lives and value of marginalized teens wouldn’t fall back on the “bury your gays” cliche (or inadvertantly suggest that they could achieve happiness by becoming straight through magical body possession).
Thanks for this, KFG!
Just a thought – even if it’s dark and intense, the scene with YunRu and MJJ on the rooftop stayed with me more than anything else, especially on first watch. The dialogue, the acting, the genuine hurt from YunRu hits me so so much, and I feel like any viewer who can’t sympathize with YunRu misses a big part of what this drama became for me. YX and LZW is great, but there’s something about how YunRu just crept up especially in the last few episodes and introduced an element of incredibly desperate loneliness that just completely stole the show for me.
Hoping that in the story we don’t see, MJJ woos YunRu and they end up healing each others’ wounds~~
(Though maybe MJJ and LZW will realize their girlfriends look almost identical…? How does that work)
Well, as I just wrote my own time-travel story (with maybe a fair few plot malfunctions along the way😅) I know only too well how hard it is to combine time travel, love, and a coherent (just about) logic. So, ooh, it really has been a joy to watch this show, trying to untangle how things happened, and falling in love with the music and the characters. Egads, show didn’t make it easy for itself either, did it; not only time-travel but by being in one character’s timeline who unbeknownst to them (and us) had already interacted with another character’s timeline. Like, woah – who, what, where, why 🤯🤣
I think the tangled ends finished off very well – bar, as you say kfangurl, the mystery of Junjie’s hearing aid being at the scene. And for me, some of the hallucinated moments might have been better as memories – eg, Villain Psychiatrist as Class Monitor – he “hallucinated” Yunru begging him to kill her (which she did do in the end so could have been a memory) but in the hallucination she looked like she was being rained on and she said some other gross stuff about him doing as he wished with her after. I guess the whole psychiatrist bit was all a bit mad, that he looked so like his brother as to be a doppelganger, had the photos of Yunru all this time (20 years!) and that he not only somehow found a way to be a psychiatrist (despite clearly having “issues” having killed a poor innocent cat as a child!) but be Yuxuan’s psychiatrist too… Ugh, scariest dialogue from him: “The more it hurts, the easier it is to die” 😨
However, that yucky aspect of the story didn’t dampen my overall enjoyment of the show. Far from it. I was totally invested in Yuxuan and ZiWei and I did keep thinking, aren’t they only thirteen years apart in age in “real time”, not so very bad, and lo, show went there and thought, hey, they can just be together. Thank you for the added scene – though it does throw up the question of Junjie and Yunru because that would be weird if they’re a couple and then they meet this girl who looks just like Yunru and ZiWei hooks up with her. I mean, a bit odd. It’s not very often doppelgangers go out with best friends from high school, right?!
And, oh, I so want Junjie and Yunru to be happy as much as I want Yuxuan and ZiWei to be. Yunru broke my heart. Yes, I thought, people telling you to try harder when you’re trying hard enough already is just awful. Kudos to show for challenging that. And Junjie I believe truly did like her. It wasn’t about rescuing her, as she said. If it was, he was rescuing himself, reaching out to someone he identified with. Someone as out of place in the world. I have literally all my fanfiction fingers crossed that somewhere out there, Quansheng’s future was changed because he meets a school mentor called Yunru 😌
Anyway, my brain is in overload, dreaming up ways everyone is OK, forever singing the oh-so-catchy songs, hoping the cat went on to live a fulfilling life until it died of natural causes, and thanking my lucky stars the baby stayed asleep long enough for me to watch the last episode and write this comment 😅 and that kfangurl exists in our timeline to organise, host, and share her concise thoughts on these group watches! Thank you, kfangurl! See you on the next one!
Great comment, Ele. Glad you enjoyed the show.
I interpreted the “hallucinated’ Yunru as a depiction of the voices VP heard in his head ( beautifully performed by Alice Ke is a role I like to think of as VP’s “ fever dream/Chinese water ghost”), an all-too-real aspect of schizophrenia.
@Ele I just finished the last episode and recovered enough to have dinner. Your fanfic wish that Yunru could be someone to help Quansheng in the future made me burst into tears again 😭
Yes please ❤️
By the way, would like to share a link to an interview / some additional information about the show which I really enjoyed reading: https://mydramalist.com/discussions/some-day-or-one-day/46677-translated-very-long-has-spoilers-interview-and-other-infos
This is probably the most interesting bit – At the end of the script, the 2 writers and director also argued over the plot point that Mo Jun Jie has never believed in Huang Yu Xuang’s time/dimension-travel. CFC explained: “The director believed that MJJ liked Chen Yun Ru, so he had to recognise who she was, but for me, he had never believed her.”
I actually agree with the director here, in that it felt like MJJ should have been able to accept the time travel and differentiate between YX and YR. I believe that the writer’s intention here was to make the relationship between YX and ZW more special and keep the ability to recognize each other across space and time to just them, but it does do a strong disservice to MJJ’s character, and feels very unnatural for him. One of the very few things in the script I would have liked to see changed, I think.
Ohh, thanks for this, Pixaiated! Very interesting!! I did wonder what Show was going for, with Junjie’s sudden assertion, that he’d never believed that Yuxuan was from 2019!
I’m with you, I’d rather Show was clear that he believed her. I don’t think that would’ve taken away anything from the story. In fact, I feel that it would have added to it. Because, if he didn’t believe her, then what was he thinking, as he destroyed that cassette? That he was just going through the motions to make her happy?
I’d much rather that he believed her, and after Yuxuan went back for the final time, in the way that he interacted with her and Ziwei, I felt that he did believe her, actually.
I kind of thought Junjie hadn’t believed her up until he lipread Yunru talking about Yuxuan. I thought that was the turning point for him where he did understand and that’s why, when he saved Yuxuan from falling, he recognised Yunru was different and that’s why he went on to destroy the cassette.
I started watching this one thanks to the group watch here. Didn’t manage to follow along with the open threads since I ended up binging the show after the second week … oops.
Thanks a lot to kfangurl for this group watch. I probably wouldn’t have discovered this gem otherwise. Felt that it started off a little weak and didn’t enjoy the crazy psychologist, but loved the rest of the show. What I loved most about it was it’s ability to constantly be surprising, going in unexpected directions, yet still making overall sense (within it’s established universe).
The final twist / arc of thinking about how YR must have felt while YX was taking control of her body was great, and the most poignant part of the series for me. I really liked how YR ends up being the final ‘villian’ so to speak.
Lastly, a shoutout to the music. Both ‘Someday or One Day’ and ‘Last Dance’ will be stuck with me for some time.
@Pixaiated Aw, it’s a bummer that you didn’t manage to join in on the OTs, but I can understand the urge to binge this one! It’s just got that cracky quality to it! 🤩
I didn’t enjoy Creepy Psychiatrist either, but I thought his presence made sense within the overall story. It’d be a completely different story without him, I think.. Like, there’d be less motivation for Yuxuan to break the time loop cycle, if he weren’t out to kill Yunru/Ziwei?
Augh, yes, the music is so good.. I also really like the song that usually plays during the end credits. ❤️❤️
Yup, his role does serve a purpose in the story to drive the plot. That’s my problem though, he just feels like an evil cartoon villain whose sole purpose is to drive the plot forward. I would have preferred something less outright evil, though of course that’s a lot harder to write (and maybe not really possible – I certainly can’t think of any simple way to do so).
Hm.. Yes, that’s a good point.. something less outright evil would have been interesting, but as you say, it’s hard to think of something that would really work. At least, I can’t think of anything. 😅
Which is probably why I’m so willing to just roll with the bloodthirsty psychiatrist angle. Coz there really are people like that, aren’t there, so it’s not like it’s impossible to believe.. 😅
It did start off shakey, but crazy fortune teller is awesome the second time around when you know what she is talking about!
Aww, what a beautiful journey this has been, KFG! Thank you for doing this group watch! <3
I still believe Zi Wei in 2021 had no purpose for dying other than wrenching our hearts out (because YX would *still* have travelled to the past & fixed the loop for Junjie & Yunru’s sake; ah, bless her selfless heart!)… Just that 2021 YX and ZW both would have been ‘erased’ in the new timeline, altogether. Augh. T_T
That said, have you guys read the official synopsis of the SD1D movie, that’s likely to release this CNY? :O It picks up right after the bonus epilogue scene: both YX and ZW have muscle-memory of the the time-loops, and they wish to figure out why they feel pain & sadness. 💔💔💔
Absolutely CANNOT wait! ^^
@CarpControl Ahhh I didn’t know about the synopsis of the movie!! 😱😱😱 I NEEEED TO WATCH IT!
Also, what great timing, that it’s coming out so soon after we finished our group watch!! 🤩 I did NOT plan that intentionally, I promise!
Could we do a group watch of the movie when it comes out? Pleeeeese?
That’s a great idea, @j3ffc! Now all we need is to figure out where to watch it!
@kfangurl – any updates on the movie??? Has anyone heard anything, yet??? Please, say Yes 🙂
No release date yet, but it’s happening!
Wow, that’s nice news. Looking forward to that movie.
There’s also going to be a Korean remake of the show – wonder how that one will turn out. It’s such a strong script so I hope they don’t make too many changes to it (though there are a few things I would like to see changed).
@Pixaiated I have no idea how to feel about the remake. It could be amazing – or terrible. 😝
When they remade Taiwan’s In Time With You, which I LOVE, it worked out to be really meh. And.. now that they’re looking to cast Ahn Hyo Seop as Ziwei.. I honestly don’t have very high hopes of it being good, because Ahn Hyo Seop doesn’t have what it takes, I think, to be a good Ziwei. The role is SO demanding, and I just.. don’t think Ahn Hyo Seop has the acting chops yet. 🙈
Not that anyone cares, but my dream casting for Ziwei would be Junho – even without taking into account my deep fondness for him. 😍 He’s the right age, and therefore can age up and down for the entire timeline, and he’s got the range to support all the different iterations of the character as well. 🤩
Yeah, both the ML and FL roles will be challenging / demanding to play. I am not familiar with either of the (tentative?) leads so I’ll refrain from commenting. Hopefully the director or whoever is doing the casting is seeing something in them.
Yes, both roles would be really challenging, not only in terms of acting range, but the actors both need to be able to age up and down for the entire timeline..
I think my dream casting for Yuxuan/Yunru would be Shin Hye Sun. I think she’d be amazing! 🤩
But.. we’ll just have to wait and see who gets finalized for the roles. Hopefully it will have more to do with skill and talent, than political influence.
Junho x SHS is a wonderful duo that needs to happen! They would have absolutely aced these roles! 🙂 Junho’s puppy eyes + jaw-acting is a lethal combo, while SHS might just be a queen of double-roles! ^^ Here’s hoping they can pair up for a challenging project sometime in the future! 😀
@CarpControl Right?!??? 🤩🤩 I’m so glad you think so too!! Coz now that I’ve landed on my dream casting for the k-remake, I can’t get it out of my head. Junho x SHS would be SO PERFECT, for these roles!!
I can already see Junho playing Ziwei & Quansheng, and SHS as Yuxuan & Yunru. 😍😍😍
The remake team can still redeem themselves by casting these two for the movie-remake (should that ever happen) lmao! 😜
@CarpControl The movie remake would only happen if the series remake is well-received.. So I’m pretty much resigned to my dream casting of this show happening only in my dreams.. 😭😭
I am soooo remake-averse that just about the only way I would watch it would be if either (1) they did cast Shin Hye-sun as KFG suggested, since I am legally obligated to watch everything she is in, or (2) if KFG and you all watch it and confirm that it’s worth it.
Now that the time loop does not exist anymore, does it mean that Creepy Psychologist never goes back in time and kills the other girl? And the Class Monitor does not go into the psychiatric facility?
Yep, I believe so!
I have no doubt that Zi Wei and Xu Yuan will find each other as themselves in the same timeline and live happily ever after! And Junjie is happy with Yunru.
That’s what I have in my imagination too! 🥰🥰
I thought that was a trippy loop – that maybe because adult Utterly Diabolical Psychiatrist doesn’t travel back, he can’t twist up his younger self and therefore, maybe his younger self – as well as his innocent bystander brother – turned out OK…
@Ele, I was thinking the same thing!
@ KFG – I couldnt watch the last episode and I am glad I read your notes because now I could watch the last episode without stress (yes, Trent, I know this makes no sense to you) and try to enjoy the ending even though the Show broke my heart when they BRUTALLY killed off Li Zi Wei who waited all those years PATIENTLY for Yuxuan. Ugh. Still stings.
I agree the Shows attention to detail and explaining everything a the end was excellent.
I am so glad you included that bonus footage that helped somewhat. So good to see Junjie! And the beautiful drawing….sigh.
Show still owes me an apology for breaking my heart and ripping it out of my chest. UGH!
Can NOT get enough of this song.
Thank sooo much KFG for suggesting this one 🙂
@JJ Aw, yay that you’ll watch the last episode after all!! This show’s just too good to not finish, I feel. 🤩 And yes, there are heartbreaking moments, but Show makes up for it, by fixing those problems, while sticking to its own fantasy rules. How cool is that?? 🤩
What a great MV.. I love it. So poignant and beautiful, especially after just finishing the show. 😍😍❤️❤️
@KFG – Yes! Ill watch the last episode 🙂 Definitely, this Show is too good not to finish, but I needed a breather. Pretty amazing that it stuck to its own fantasy rules and those rules make sense. But just UGH. Come on, I thought I was in for a Unicorn and Puppy Show with a happy ending. Sniffle.
I love that song and the clips the MV picked. I cannot get enough of the rain scene 🙂
The entire OST is good as well 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acZ2TqtkCqk&ab_channel=%E7%8E%8B%E5%A4%8F
So, if we get our hands on the cassette can we go back in time and fix the ending to our liking ?!?!?! 😉
@JJ But.. I actually LIKE the ending.. so I don’t feel the need to fix it! 😁
@KFG – Ok, then Ill go back myself and rescue Li Zi Wei from the brutal attack and you can have the ending you like and I’ll ride off into the sunset with Greg Hsu(Li Zi Wei) on a Unicorn IN THE RAIN 🦄☔️ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂 Well I suppose that could work, assuming that each time loop can withstand being markedly different from another..? 😁
@KFG – Its Fantasy and we are writing our own rules here for a TRUE Happy Ending, thank you very much. I am going to play in my sandbox over here with the Unicorns, Puppies AND Kittens. Maybe Juno will be there, too with his kitties 😉 😂😂😂