Welcome to the Open Thread, everyone! We’ve got this pivotal piggyback scene headlining our post today, because it’s just the cutest, sweetest thing. I LOVE. 😍
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Without further ado, here are my reactions to this set of episodes; have fun in the Open Thread, everyone! ❤️
Oh. My. Goodness. What a rollercoaster of an episode this was – and also, what a confident rollercoaster this was.
I’m really impressed with the way Show toggles the two timelines this episode. We’re only specifically told once, which year we’re in, when we open the episode, but thereafter, I never had any doubt which timeline we were in, even though Show moves fluidly between both timelines all the way through the episode. This was really nicely done, I thought.
The other thing I wanted to say, is that Greg Hsu really does an amazing job, this episode, portraying so many different shades of his character.
In 2008, with all the experiences that he’s had, there’s a sadness and wistfulness about him, particularly when he contemplates the past, when he, Junjie and “Yunru” had been happy together.
And in 2010, where he’s finally getting to be in Yuxuan’s orbit as Quansheng, there’s a playfulness and amusement about him, that’s tempered by the sobriety that he feels, when thoughts of the past come to mind.
It’s all so textured and distinct, that I can’t help feeling very impressed with the way Greg Hsu has digested the various iterations of his character.
On the lighter side of things, we get to see “Quansheng” on his journey to win Yuxuan’s heart, and it’s sweet and cute, yet also slightly discombobulating, at the same time.
Why I say it’s discombobulating, is because, when I think about it, the only reason “Quansheng” is able to win Yuxuan’s heart the way he does, is because he’d already interacted with as Ziwei, back in 1998.
It’s because she’d told him things about her experiences with Quansheng, that he’s now able to lean into that knowledge, to recreate that for her.
Like the joke about meat bun and noodle. He’d first heard that joke from her, in 1998. But she’d first heard it from Quansheng, in 2010. Which means that it’s this neverending chicken-or-the-egg cycle, where you can’t pinpoint exactly who told whom that joke first. It messed with my brain, in the best way, honestly. I love that Show is so good at this.
And then there’s how he already knows that her favorite drink is a hot Americano, from his interactions with her in 1998 – which is how he’s able to win that bet with her, in 2010, which makes her perk up and take notice of him, a little more. Again, that catch 22 sort of cycle. Likey.
On top of this, that moment of tearful vulnerability, as “Quansheng” thinks about Junjie’s suicide, which he’d only heard about in 2010, is also a bit of a catch 22 thing.
It’s because of this moment of vulnerability, that Yuxuan opens up to him and helps him feel better by spending time with him during the stock take, but without this time travel business, this moment of vulnerability wouldn’t have happened – or at least, it wouldn’t have happened this way.
More than that, though, I have to admit that I’m completely taken with “Quansheng’s” dreamy smitten looks in Yuxuan’s direction, this episode. Honestly, the fact that she remains unmoved by those looks for so long, is very impressive to me, ha. 😅
I like “Quansheng’s” approach to winning Yuxuan’s heart, which is to take things slow, and build a real connection with her. That feels so much more organic than his original approach, of declaring his love for her at first sight.
It’s really through these everyday interactions, that Yuxuan starts to see his sincerity, and it’s nice to see her softening towards him in degrees, as time passes.
One of my personal highlights of the episode, is the birthday cake scene, which is just, so, so sweet.
The entire context is so pure, on “Quansheng’s” part. He’d rather give up his carefully laid plans of celebrating her birthday for her, than have her take on a shift on her birthday, and cancel plans with her boyfriend.
That’s thoughtful and selfless of him, I must say, especially since he doesn’t like Yuxuan’s boyfriend one bit.
And then, when Yuxuan gets unceremoniously dumped by said boyfriend, it’s “Quansheng’s” slightly bashful, sincere desire to wish her a happy birthday, that ends up being the birthday celebration she didn’t know she needed.
The moment, when he’s talking to her on the phone, with the candles lit on the cake he’d gotten for her, is just the sweetest thing, and I’d melt to the floor into a big ol’ puddle, in her shoes, no exaggeration. And, his look of wonder, as he realizes that she’s standing right there in front of him, is so precious. I love it.
On a tangent, I really have to wonder which came first, Yuxuan’s love for that flavor of cake (coz we see Cake Dude deliver this exact cake, in our early episodes) and that’s why “Quansheng” made sure to buy this one for her, or if Yuxuan had come to love that cake, because it had been the first cake Quansheng had ever gotten her.
What a great little reward for “Quansheng,” to realize that the lost little girl he’d once taken home, was Yuxuan herself, and she’d remembered him, all these years – despite conveniently (bu understandably!) forgetting what he looks like. How ironic, that Yuxuan had decided to date her now-ex, because he’d done something similar, in taking care of a lost kid.
And then, there’s the scene where Yuxuan asks him what he’ll do, if she ever takes his flirting words seriously, and he turns all serious, and tells her, “If you took my words seriously, I’d never leave you.”
Augh. Melt. That is so swoony, seriously.
Last but not least, there’s the kicker incident, where he proves to be absolute boyfriend material, in the way that he’s so caring, understanding and thoughtful, when she unexpectedly gets her period while at work.
Oh my goodness, the way he carries her home on his back, and tells her that he’ll go buy her dinner and breakfast, so that she won’t have to leave the house while feeling unwell, is just so dreamy, honestly.
It’s no wonder Yuxuan chooses to accept his feelings, and start dating him for real. His delighted look of surprise and wonder, in between whoops of delight, as he gazes up at her, is just so precious and so pure. AUGH. Seeing him like this, and seeing them finally come together as a couple, really made me smile.
..On the other end of the spectrum, however, Show serves up consistent lashings of bittersweet, throughout the episode, via looks into 2008.
Ziwei’s quiet efforts to reconnect with a distant, disillusioned Junjie really tug at my heartstrings. They’d been so happy and so carefree, not so long ago, and now, Junjie’s served prison time for Yunru’s murder, and is unable and unwilling to move past this terrible incident in his life.
Even though Ziwei says that he’s never blamed Junjie, because he just doesn’t believe that Junjie would do anything to hurt Yunru, Junjie himself can’t forgive himself. And it looks like he’s basically in a state of constant torment.
With Gran’s collapse and eventual death, I can imagine why Junjie would decide to end it all, after having one last drink-and-make-up session with Ziwei. It’s his way of mending this last bridge, before saying goodbye to the world. 💔
The sight of Ziwei rushing to the scene, trying ever so hard to make it in time to stop Junjie, but being held back by his bad leg, is so heartbreaking to watch. His best efforts aren’t enough, and – horror of horrors – all he manages to do, is catch a glimpse of Junjie’s last, sad look, before Junjie falls to his death.
SOB. How horrible, for Ziwei, to have determined in his heart, to use this timeslip opportunity to save Junjie – and then have it fail, in spite of his best efforts. The way he crumples, in horror, disbelief and grief, is so incredibly hard to watch. 😭😭
What. An. Episode. Gosh, I’d forgotten just how well-written and intricate this show is. 🤩 But also, Wahhhh, this episode is so heartbreaking too. 😭😫
The puzzle pieces are starting to come together, this episode, and it’s as mind-blowing for me, this time around, as it was, during my first watch.
One of the things I think Show’s excellent at, is delving into a thread, then leaving it hanging while it delves into another angle of our story world – and then going back to that hanging thread, as if we’d never left it hanging in the first place.
That makes me feel like we’re playing with one big kaleidoscope, and turning it back and forth, and revisiting certain pictures, as needed. I love that.
I’m glad that we return to the thread where Yuxuan finally meets with Present Ziwei, and I’m glad that he fills her in on all the details, so that she gets a fuller picture of everything.
While part of my brain protests that he could’ve told her all this earlier instead of running away from her while she’d been looking for him, the other part of my brain rationalizes that it’s about timing.
It’s only at this point, when Yuxuan knows as much as she does, that it becomes meaningful for her to reconnect with Ziwei, so that they can talk about everything together.
The way Ziwei paints the picture of the never-ending time loop is so mind-bendy, to me. It’s hard to wrap my brain around the idea that Ziwei and Yuxuan are riding different timelines to love each other, where those timelines intersect.
Based on what we find out this episode, this means that there are, essentially, different versions of Ziwei and Yuxuan time traveling and body swapping, over many time cycles, and they just keep reaching for each other, and loving each other, in the little overlaps that they manage to grasp.
Oof. That’s painfully poignant, and yet, rather poetic and beautiful, at the same time.
That scene of “Quansheng,” desperate to be with Yuxuan, but realizing that his role in this loop is over, and he needs to get on that plane, in order that Yuxuan would time travel in the future, to meet him in the past, is just so sad to watch.
He chooses death, and entrusts Yuxuan to his future self, because that is the only choice that he knows will support this time loop; that will assure him of the chance to love Yuxuan again, as another him.
It’s still sad, though, because, if I understand this whole thing correctly, this is the end of the road, for this version of him. There will be another him in the future, but that isn’t going to be the same him, who’s making the choice to step on that plane. In that sense, his choice is very sacrificial, and.. it’s a lot, to digest. 😭
On top of this, it’s just pretty mind-boggling, that the two versions of Ziwei can not only co-exist in the same timeline, but can talk face to face, even. That’s wild, but it doesn’t break any of Show’s internal rules, which makes it all the more impressive.
I find it interesting that Present Ziwei offers “Quansheng” the opportunity to defy his fate, by not getting on that flight. I wondered what would happen too, if “Quansheng” did that. Like, wouldn’t that give him the chance to stay by Yuxuan’s side, and break the time loop that way?
But then I realized that “Quansheng’s” heart is to save both Yunru and Junjie, and it’s only by allowing the time loop to cycle through once more, that he – or rather, another version of him – would get the chance to save them. Augh. That’s so selfless and loving.
Also, what an interesting idea that Ziwei floats, that it’s by not fighting the time loop, that he actually begins to see glimmers of change. It’s as if these changes are a natural evolution, when the time loop is allowed to run its course?
The other major thing I love about the reunion between Present Ziwei and Yuxuan, is how she welcomes him and loves him, even though he’s no longer Wang Quansheng. She’s so clear that the person whom she’s loved all along, is Ziwei.
I loved the scenes of her welcoming him back, to the apartment where he’d once lived with her. The mix of tentative wonder and gentle familiarity, is quite lovely to see, and I just want these two to finally be happy together, now that they’ve finally be reunited.
BUT ALAS. That’s not to be. 😭😭😭 I’m so gutted, at the direction that our story takes, with Creepy Psychiatrist, and what happens to Ziwei.
First of all, it occurs to me that when Yuxuan had time traveled back to 1998, Yunru had already suffered the attack, which is why she was in hospital. This means that Creepy Psychiatrist had been the first one to time travel, in this drama world. WOAH. 😱 I hadn’t seen that coming, that’s for sure!
This means that Present Day Yuxuan getting knocked out by Creepy Psychiatrist, had kinda been a pre-condition that had to exist, in order for Yuxuan to have time traveled into Yunru’s body in the first place.
Dude. This show totally makes my brain feel like it’s on hallucinogens or something. 🤪
Also, what a twist, that it wasn’t Class Monitor who’d attacked Yunru, but Class Monitor’s younger brother, Creepy Psychiatrist, in Class Monitor’s body!
And apparently, Younger Bro had been obsessed with Yunru for a really long time, after seeing her photos in Big Bro’s desk drawer – which is why he listens to his hallucination, and attempts to kill Yunru. What an interesting twist, that it had been Yuxuan calling out to Creepy Psychiatrist, that had ended up saving Yunru from being bashed in the head, to her death. 😳
The thing that guts me the most, this episode, is how Creepy Psychiatrist bashes Ziwei in the head, not once, but twice! 😭😭😭 I mean, Ziwei’s already been through so much, by this point; he’s suffered so much physical and emotional trauma. It just feels so cruel, to allow him to suffer this kind of attack.
How absolutely inhumane of Creepy Psychiatrist, to attack a helpless, physically disabled person like this – and all because of his personal thirst for blood. UGHHHH.
I’m completely creeped out by that final shot of him sitting in that chair, presumably time traveling back to 1998 and trying to finish off the murder that he’d started.
But more than that, I’m sooo concerned for Ziwei, who’s suffered serious head trauma. DON’T LET HIM DIE, SHOW!!! 😫😫😫
The point at which Yuxuan reunites with Zi Wei, and welcomes him back to ‘their home’… She had been living without him for 2 years (2017-2019) whereas Zi Wei… spent 16 years without her, (2003-2019). SIXTEEN years. Till he could come back to his ‘own‘ home. How utterly heartbreaking. 😭
Which brings me to my next chain of thoughts…. The theme of tough choices & true heroes. Li Zi Wei: he’s the guy who could have made his aim not to ‘die on an aircraft’ instead dedicated his life as WQS to his love for HYX. Even after he returns to his original body, his focus is to somehow prevent JunJie from dying. And Huang Yu Xuan: the girl who wants to save CYR selflessly (from ep 1-6) for the sake of saving YUNRU, and not because she wants to undo WQS’s death in 2017 on the aircraft. Man, I love this pair as a couple, but, at the end of the day, they are such nice humans too! 💕
The only reason I’m not as creeped out by Creepy psychologist is because I know he’s a very charming actor IRL. In fact, he’s downright lovable in ‘Rainless Love…’ which I have started watching recently. (Binge-watching actually, cuz it’s so addicting!) These writers are geniuses at writing ‘men written by women‘. It’s the third time they have done it (In Time With You, Someday or One Day– which are both KFG’s favorites btw… and now Rainless Love). My heart eyes for Orad (& Fu Meng Bo) are so big right now.😍 Coincidentally, all three leading men share the same last name… Li! 🙂
Shouldn’t Zi Wei (in Quan Sheng’s body) in 2010 know that he would die as Quan Sheng, and all the circumstances around his death, from the beginning? Because Yu Xuan told him so in 1998… Do you guys think he knows and is ok with it? I don’t remember him ever mentioning this during his chats with Yun Ru’s uncle…
Each of the TLs they enter, every iteration has been tweaking slightly. (which is why YR dies in different ways.. but the final outcome it still the same)
Even if Yu Xuan did tell him in 1998 that QS dies in 2017 on a flight crash, he thinks he can somehow stop it all from happening, only if he can keep Yu Xuan from breaking up with him. Zi Wei (as Quan Sheng) genuinely thinks he can ‘defy fate‘ only if he tries hard enough.
That has clearly not been the case, and he’s been proven wrong repeatedly. Heck, even after he returned back to his original body in 2008, and lived his life forward, he kept thinking he’ll be able to keep JunJie from dying.
Yes, that makes sense. But how does every iteration of “older” Ze Wei coming back to his own body in 2008 become aware of the past changing slightly every single time? Isn’t he also caught in the loop and is therefore only carrying the memories of the latest version of “Quansheng”?
I think, that’s because his ‘memories‘ are based on living as Quansheng from 2010-2017. However, once he goes back to his original body in 2003, he gets to live 2010-2017 all over again, but this time, in his own identity. In that way, he becomes aware of the little tweaks in the Time-Line? I honestly wish the show had explained it better. Or maybe I’m missing out on something much bigger? :O
Yes, I rewatched ep 10 again and there Ze Wei says that the “Chan Sheng” he met in the airport before catching that last flight, that version of himself was slightly different from him… maybe he’s basing his theory on that realisation.
@KFG – First and foremost, thank you for guiding us, so assuredly, through these two complicated episodes. As mentioned, this is my second time around and I’m still like, who? what? when now? I love how you say you “never had any doubt which timeline we were in.” I, on the other hand, was almost always a beat behind! 😂 And, good catch that Dr. Xie had been the first one to time travel. 🤯 I had not figured that out. One of the many reasons you’ve got the Big Blog, and I… do not.
That said, this is some great storytelling. Super consistent and compelling.
Class Monitor’s and Dr. Xie’s story are more explicit (the sexual themes) and dark than any mainstream kdrama I’ve watched. Creepy is right, @Ele.
We’ve spent so much time recently with the adult versions of our characters, that the early episodes almost seem like a different show. All that teenage angst seems so… innocent compared to what we’ve learned since. I’m getting ready to revisit young Ziwei and Yunru/Yuxuan, because don’t we have to in order to somehow align fates (to our satisfaction)? And, please don’t let Ziwei leave us this way!
Honest to goodness, none of the above is a spoiler. I really don’t remember what comes next. 😬
@Leslie 😂😂 That’s funny, that you found the toggling between timelines confusing, while I’m all like, wow, this is so clear! 😅😂 Maybe it’s coz I was watching it knowing I was going to write about it? This one’s so intricately plotted that I can see how a more casual viewer might get confused. ❤️
And YES, isn’t it a mindbender, that Dr. Xie had been the first to time travel..? I LOVE how this show plays with all this information! 🤩🤩
@KFG – 😆Apparently I’m watching very casually. Without meaning to.
I have always had to make enormous efforts to follow the timeline but I have to say, Creepier Class Monitor’s brother has spun my head around 😵💫 I realise too that he’s run off with the time-travelling Walkman and cassette which probably means everything, even Class Monitor saying to little bro ‘you want her’ is actually Creepier Class Monitor’s Brother telling his Starting to get Creepy Self that he wants her… 🤔🤯 Egads, which means (given jealous girl who took snaps of Yunru changing happened after the moment he saved Yunru from the car splatting) he’s actually remembering his future self, er, pleasuring himself looking at the photos when he then attacked her in the shed place in the past… 🥴 I am undone 😵
Did anyone else catch the little snippet of a scene from I’m guessing JunJi’s memory where “YunRu” asked JunJi to kill here while holding the broken glass. I was sooo confused by that..
Yes, I keep wondering if Yunru, stuck in a weird tent in nowhere land, is somehow begging people to kill the imposter Yuxuan occupying her body?
I saw that! And.. I have no idea what it means, coz I don’t remember, even though this is my second watch. 😅
I always thought of it as the TL ‘shifting slightly‘ with each instance of time-travel. The outcome is always the same- YR’s death. But the way she dies every time… is slightly different??
OK, I’m the idiot who thought episode 10 was the last episode, even tweeting kfangurl that I was almost done and scared it looked like a sad ending coming… Oh, there are more than ten episodes 🙄😆
So, setting aside that I kept wondering how on earth show was going to tie everything up when everything seemed to be getting more complicated, argh, it was a total mind-bender 🤯 Like, no wonder ZiWei keeps a timeline in his room with extra notes and dates and even then its incomplete and also has variables, like Quansheng saying something ZiWei as Quansheng hadn’t said in the airport 🤯🤯🤯 My head hurts.
Not only that, but now we find out Creepy Class Monitor had an even creepier little bro who is Dr Xie and it’s he who, after Creepy Class Monitor saved Yunru from getting splatted by the car, time-mind-leaps into his doppelganger brother to attack the very same Yunru 😳 Sheesh, Yunru sure had a lot of guys obsessing over her 😅
And while my head hurts, oh my heart too. Junjie 😭😭😭 The only reason he’d kept going was for his grandma, wasn’t it, and once she was gone he felt he had nothing 😢
So, I have zero predictions for the next episodes (are they the last?!) other than that I hope Creepy Class Monitor (who I assume was the one who killed the other girl) and Creepier Class Monitor’s Brother get their comeuppance, poor Yunru somehow gets a grip of herself, falls in love with Junjie, neither of them die but live happily ever after, and ZiWei and Yuxuan find each other in some dimension and stay there, together, forever, and Quansheng finds a lovely man to settle down with too 😊 I don’t want much.
@Ele – 🤣😂 Six episodes to go, to sort it out.
@Leslie @Ele Actually, it’s just 3 more episodes! This one’s 13 eps, and so we’ll cover E11-12 next week, and then E13 on its own! 😃
Bwahaha! See, it’s as if I never watched this one before. 🤪 So sad. Good that I’m rewatching now. Thanks for the heads up, @KFG.
@Leslie Oh, but isn’t it so cool, though, coz if you feel like you’ve never watched it before, this rewatch is practically as good as a first watch. And one of the most precious things about watching a great drama, is that initial experience, where everything feels new! 🤩🤩
A-ha! I will pace my ‘how’s it all going to end’ with that in mind 😅😳
@Ele, I think the jealous girl was also killed by Creepy Little Bro in Big Brother’s body.
I’m still watching you guys, but we got a bit ahead and just finished the show last night. Great show 🙂
It IS such a great show, isn’t it? 🤩🤩 Glad you enjoyed it, @manukajoe!
Like you, I found it easier to keep track of the second time around.