Open Thread: Love Like The Galaxy Episodes 13-16

Welcome to the Open Thread, everyone! Thanks for joining in on this group watch of this very special show! ❤️

As I mentioned in my announcement post, these are my notes, exactly as they appear on Patreon.

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Without further ado, here are my reactions to this set of episodes; have fun in the Open Thread, everyone! ❤️

My thoughts

Episodes 13-14

E13-14. Sigh. Show really knows how to toy with my feelings.

Remember how I said I was in this mainly for the crackly OTP moments?

Well, after giving us that molten, breathless arrow scene, it feels like Show is going to play it such that we’ll have to wait for a fair while yet, until we get another breathlessly crackly OTP moment.

Which, I have to admit, makes me a feel a bit impatient and antsy, while I wait. 😅

I mean, Shaoshang’s even talking marriage with Lou Yao, this set of episodes!

Which I know is unlikely to happen, since all of Show’s promo material tells us that Buyi is the other half of the OTP, but still. This represents a significant roadblock for our real OTP relationship to progress, so I’m feeling slightly grumbly about this. 🙈

I do appreciate, though, that we get more scenes of Buyi, so that we get to understand his context a bit better.

It’s kinda trippy to see him interact with the Emperor on such familiar terms, since I’m so used to seeing emperors being revered and tiptoed around, in these period dramas.

And yet, here we have an amiable, caring Emperor, who’s nosy about Buyi’s love life, and seems to want nothing more than have Buyi happily married off. Heh. I think I like this Emperor already.

I mean, it seems that he doesn’t really care whether Buyi marries a young lady of the Emperor’s choosing, right?

He’d chosen Princess Yuchang for Buyi, and yet, now, when he hears that Buyi seems to have a special interest in the daughter of the Cheng family, he gets all nosy and excited, instead of offended that Buyi isn’t interested in Princess Yuchang.

I feel like our Emperor might turn out to be quite an excellent wingman for Buyi, given the chance. 😁

Over on Shaoshang’s side of things, I have to admit to only being cursorily interested in her rousing speech to the wounded villagers. 😝 I simply clocked that this experience feels like a key milestone in Shaoshang’s growth journey.

She’s definitely showing more maturity and compassion than we’d seen from her in the beginning of our story, and this feels like a step in the right direction.

The flashbacks to Shaoshang’s childhood days, when she’d been bullied by her cousins, does also help to color in her character further, so that I feel like I understand her and her emotional baggage a bit better.

It sucks that she’d been bombarded with lies about her parents not wanting her anymore, even though she’d wanted to believe that they did want her, and had only left her, in order to go to battle to save the world.

This might actually be the root of her abandonment issues, and very likely feeds into her belief that her parents – Mom especially – find her to be a burden.

Perhaps that’s why she’s so eager to start a new life with Lou Yao, who turns out to be an agreeable and supportive companion while she’s out in Hua County.

Honestly, it feels like it’s the situation they’re in, coupled with the fact that Lou Yao’s the only other person around her age whom she can hang out with, that causes this relationship to develop as much as it does.

If they were back home instead of in Hua County, I doubt Lou Yao would have managed to get as much time and attention from Shaoshang as he does in Hua County. So.. I guess it was smart of Lou Yao to follow Shaoshang to Hua County after all, eh?

Honestly, I’d been hoping that this season in Hua County, would’ve been the time when Shaoshang and Buyi would get to spend time together, so this is rather underwhelming and perplexing for me. 😅

Of course, thanks to Wingman Emperor (hee!), and Buyi’s quick reflexes, we do get a situation where Buyi arrives in Hua County too, so that he can deliver the Emperor’s edict, honoring the previous magistrate with a posthumous title.

In fact, I was pretty stoked to realize that basically, ALL THREE of Shaoshang’s suitors would be in Hua County with her, at the same time.

However, Show doesn’t quite give me the hijinks I’d hoped for, with Shaoshang being so focused on Lou Yao the whole time.

Granted, this is a positive reflection of Shaoshang, that when she’s set her heart on someone, she isn’t easily swayed, but I’m sitting here wondering when she’ll wake up to the fact that it’s Buyi who makes her heart wobble. 😅

I’m just really sad for Buyi, who has to stand there in the rain, and witness Shaoshang pledging to be with Lou Yao henceforth. Augh. Poor smitten heartbroken stoic puppy. 😭

I also feel really bad for him, that he thinks that Shaoshang’s lumped him into the category of killers, along with the rebels who’d created this situation in the first place, and therefore would want nothing to do with him.

I’m sure that’s not the case, and I’m bummed that Buyi’s sadder than he needs to be.

At this point in time, I feel like Mom is possibly the only person who can stop this marriage from happening, since she’s the only one who objects to the idea of Shaoshang getting betrothed to Lou Yao.

I do think that Mom is unnecessarily harsh with Lou Yao and Shaoshang, and that she isn’t yet cognizant of the growth that Shaoshang’s achieved in the time that she’s been away from home.

At the same time, I do believe that Mom has Shaoshang’s best interests at heart, and doesn’t want Shaoshang to regret this decision later, if she were to suffer because Lou Yao isn’t able to protect her from the politicking and possible bullying in his family.

It’s just too bad that Mom’s default way of handling things, particularly things to do with Shaoshang, is to go hard rather than soft. It’s pretty clear that Shaoshang’s not the type to be forced into submission, and so, I don’t think Mom’s efforts are going to go down well.

That said, I do think that the way Show writes Mom as being concerned about whether Shaoshang actually loves Lou Yao, is a bit odd.

These are times when love matches weren’t the norm, after all. Arranged marriages were the norm in these times.

I can buy the idea that Mom would object to the match based on how disadvantageous it would be for Shaoshang, but I find it hard to believe that Mom would actually take the love match aspect of things into consideration.

Or maybe Mom’s more heart-driven than she’d like us to know?

Episodes 15-16

E15-16. I must say, I don’t feel any romantic tension between Lou Yao and Shaoshang. They really do strike me more as a pair of friends and comrades, rather than as a pair of lovers.

For example, the way they study those love and romance scrolls together feels like a conversation between comrades rather than one between lovers. I mean, it’s cute that they are in so much in agreement, but the vibe’s way more platonic than anything else.

So on that point, I think Mom is likely right, that Shaoshang may think that she likes Lou Yao, but she doesn’t really understand what it means to love someone.

At a point in our story where our OTP loveline seems to be getting waylaid, I was actually glad for the arc where Shaoshang and Lou Yao encounter Huangfu Yi, and Shaoshang manages to get them invited to take shelter from the rain at the courtyard where the Emperor had rested.

Because, that’s where Buyi happens to be, ahhh!! Sure, Yuan Shen’s there too, but I don’t really care about that. I just perk up whenever Buyi’s there to share some screen time with Shaoshang. 🤩

How gallant of Buyi, to offer his carriage to Shaoshang, and how helpful, that this ride in the carriage brings Shaoshang’s thoughts back to the arrow scene, because she can see that he’s kept both the arrowhead and the shaoshang string that she’d used to remove it from his chest.

I don’t think that Shaoshang registers any special meaning behind the items (how could you not, Shaoshang?? You’re special to him, that’s why he has these keepsakes in the carriage with him, so that they’re within reach at all times!), but I’m hoping that they give her food for thought.

Mainly, I like the fact that the party stays overnight at the courtyard, because it gives us the chance to see more of Buyi’s broody smolder.

He doesn’t say a great deal, but every time there’s mention of Shaoshang’s betrothal to Lou Yao, he seems to smolder with extra intensity and meaning.

Beyond Buyi’s answer to the question of whether he would save his fiancée or the orphaned woman, which again brings his singleminded love and loyalty to the fore, this set of episodes, I’m most taken by that moment in the walkway, where he asks Shaoshang if she’s sure about the person whom she’s chosen.

For the record, I don’t think that Buyi’s purposefully trying to get between her and Lou Yao, because he’s too honorable for something like that.

But I do think that he’s concerned that she may be making a hasty choice, which is why he asks.

And he asks with that same gentle intensity that makes my knees melt.

“In human lives, it’s a blessing to be able to choose the right person and path. Are you sure the one you chose is the right one?”

It’s a pity that Shaoshang doesn’t get a chance to answer, or even let the words sink in further, because Lou Yao comes along to call out her name and catch her attention, and our broody general broods even more. 😭

I’m actually really surprised that Shaoshang ends up going home with her parents, in that I’d expected her to stay in Hua County on a longer term arrangement, given the way she’d left home to begin with.

Granted, it’s been months in our story world since she’d arrived in Hua County, but it still feels a little truncated to me – but I suppose that’s how Show keeps me on my toes, eh?

Plus, I do think that it her return home does give us more narrative possibilities, since Buyi himself is in the capital as well.

Speaking of whom, I find the backstory of his parents really tragic. When we’d first been told that his aunt had stolen his father from his mother, we weren’t told that his mother had lost her sanity as a result.

The fact that Mom’s not in her right mind because of this, is just really sad. I can see why Buyi holds such a grudge against his father and his aunt (now stepmother).

I do love the scene where the Cheng family entourage is stopped at the capital gates, and Buyi steps in to help them.

First of all, it’s always great to see Buyi cutting such a regal figure on horseback. He really has a hero’s aura about him, as he enters the scene. 🤩

Everyone making way for him, just adds to his regality, because it’s so clear that he commands the utmost respect.

And then, to have him head straight to Shaoshang’s carriage, to make small talk with her, just makes the moment more squee-worthy, because he’s essentially emphasizing her importance, to everyone present.

Because, if they are all in awe of him, and he has such regard for her, this just elevates her social importance, doesn’t it?

I love how Mom and Dad exchange continuous meaningful glances, as they try to process the fact that Shaoshang and Buyi have some kind of personal connection.

And then, I just LOVE how Buyi casually explains that he and Shaoshang have been through life-and-death situations together, and that she’s undressed him, in order to treat his wound. HAHA.

I love it. It’s so deadpan-cheeky of him to keep emphasizing that she’s undressed him in the past, tee hee! 🤭 What must Mom and Dad think?!? 😁

And then, it’s honestly so cool, the way Buyi then escorts her entire party through the capital gates, like they’re the most important people in the world. 🤩🤩

Shaoshang may be too naive to pick up on it, but Mom and Dad are reading the signs without any trouble at all; they can totally see that Buyi’s in love with Shaoshang. Ahh!

And, our Wingman Emperor can totally see that Buyi’s in love with Shaoshang too. Double ahh!

Could these parental figures perhaps help nudge this loveline into place, then?

But.. it looks like Shaoshang has other plans, to up and leave with Lou Yao, to make her own life and stop being a burden to her parents.

I don’t think that Shaoshang means any of this maliciously; she’s still young and immature, and is just being matter-of-fact in stating what she wants for herself, without considering the worries that her parents might have.

Aw.. I feel bad for Mom, when she breaks down in tears. It’s so unlike her, to show her vulnerability like this.

And I feel that the reason for her tears, is that she feels like Shaoshang’s fate is out of her hands; that she can’t help to make Shaoshang a better future, as her mother.

That, plus her misgivings about the Lou clan being a tiger’s den, makes her feel both sad and helpless.

Aw. I sure hope that this mother-daughter relationship can be healed and strengthened soon, in the episodes to come.

AND, I can’t help but hope for more crackly moments between Shaoshang and our stoic-but-steadfast general.

Next Open Thread will be up on: Saturday, 20 April 2024!

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Natalia
Natalia
2 years ago

I am late to the party and you guys have already said everything I wanted to say, in particular relating to the puppy love.

Indeed, A Yao is such a sweet kid. It is, however, obvious right from the start that he is no match for her. He still is a sweet kid.

Other than that, I am just going to say that the Emperor in this show is not only my favourite Emperor ever, but also in the top5 of my favourite side characters ever (he’s in a tight contest with Yu Sishan and our beloved Ahjumma).

SVG
SVG
2 years ago

What a great show this is. I have to confess that after ep 12, I just couldn’t slow down and blew through all 56 eps! 😂 Oh well.

I had a long think about the NN+LY pairing: Y’all have already alluded to this, but I saw it as a perfect storm of multiple factors of her personality, part reaction and part decision, but ultimately created more by emotional reaction to every relationship that has shaped her up to this point. She’d only received criticism and bullying, especially from people she should be able to trust, so it makes sense that the first person that comes along offering both kindness and escape from that situation looks awfully tempting.

And yes, he’s oh-so-heart-eyed with her, but he can see, through those hearts, her strengths and abilities (her leadership in Hua County was so moving to watch!), that Momma just can’t-won’t see. Of course NN would respond to that, too. Don’t we all?

And finally, she’s always been the underdog in every relationship: left behind by parents without the comfort of close sibling or sibling-esque relationships and just generally disregarded if not outright stomped on by those entrusted with her care. She clearly senses that the person with the greater affection in any relationship is at a certain kind of disadvantage – she’s not the underdog with LY, and that’s attractive to her.

Given her youth and immaturity, her isolation and limited experience with the world, it makes sense that she might mistake all of this for a strong enough foundation on which to build a whole new family. On my first watch, I was so looking forward to seeing her develop in understanding herself, LY, and the world, through this relationship. It seemed out of left field when LY showed up, but as it goes, I think it’s proving to be a solid writing choice.

Leslie
Leslie
2 years ago
Reply to  SVG

@SVG – Well put re the NN+LY pairing (why LY is so appealing to her) and the writing choice of their relationship! I appreciate that there isn’t a straight shot to romance with Bu Yi, what with the age and life experience differential. NN needs time to mature some, and even to know the experience of being loved by someone for just the way she is. It would be a different story unfolding, I think, if she were quickly thrown into Bu Yi’s orbit, and had to figure all that out under his rather domineering presence.

SVG
SVG
2 years ago
Reply to  Leslie

@Leslie: “…under [Bu Yi’s] rather domineering presence.” Yes! Can you imagine? He’s such a force to be reckoned with, even in the little we’ve seen of him. And so is she, but she doesn’t really know that yet, does she? I’m afraid if it was a straight shot, she would subjugate herself a little bit – she’d still be awesome (because she kinda can’t help it, and he also is starting to see that she can be), but it wouldn’t be awesome of her own making, standing on her own two feet. She would be defined by him. I feel like LY is a good greenhouse for her, you know?

Ele
Ele
2 years ago
Reply to  SVG

@SVG I am totally not surprised at the binge-watch!! It is totally binge-worthy!! In the novel, Lou Yao does turn up as Niao Niao leaves to basically tell her he wants to marry her (and gets the same baffled, unbelieving reaction from Niao Niao), but he doesn’t then trail after her like he does in the TV show (which did feel a bit stalker-awkward!) He then shows up again having secured his family’s approval for the marriage, in Hua County to witness Niao Niao being generally brilliant and from there it’s the same as the show.

As you’ve seen how it all plays out, their relationship does make a lot of sense for both their characters’ growth, I agree. xx

SVG
SVG
2 years ago
Reply to  Ele

@Ele – do you have a link to a good English translation of the novel you can offer? I’d love to read it. Not sure if it’s okay to post, so if not, never mind.

Ele
Ele
2 years ago
Reply to  SVG

I think it’s OK to share on here. There are probably other translations out there, but I’ve been reading Lady Kelpi’s – it’s ongoing so not the whole novel yet but a good chunk of it. Love Like The Galaxy |星汉灿烂, 幸甚至哉 by Guan Xin Ze Luan |关心则乱 – Lady Kelpi Translations

SVG
SVG
2 years ago
Reply to  Ele

Thank you, @Ele!

Ele
Ele
2 years ago

I may need to stand up for Lou Yao here! He is a puppy, generous to a fault with glowing heart eyes for our Niao Niao. However, it’s important to note, I think, that he does know about her wilder reactions and bridge shenanigans (same as our General Ling) as well as witnessing her brilliance in a crisis (same as our General Ling has) and he not only doesn’t censure her, he gently encourages her (as General Ling does)! He is equal in his admiration and is more than ready to let her fly so long as he can fly with her. And what I think is really great about their relationship is that her confidence allows him to be more confident and assertive. He is good for her as she is good for him. I actually think they could have a content marriage. maybe not the passion of the century, but there would be love.

Now, drama-wise, naturally I’m all about General Ling on his horse, gliding through the city gates with an authority darker than Hades guarding the Underworld. That’s because I NEED the passion. I NEED Niao Niao to lift General Ling out of the hell he seems to be in. I NEED Niao Niao to have that giddy love. Aw, who doesn’t want that?!

But – and I love this OTP so I am being a bit disingenuous, but I feel it should be said – can general Ling make Niao Niao content for a lifetime like Lou Yao could? Is he actually good for her? Yaunyi worries about Lou Yao’s family, but what about that mire of the Ling family? It seems very, very messy.

Niao Niao is good for General Ling because when she’s around, it’s the only time he seems a fraction less tortured (and torture-y) but the jury is out on whether he can truly be good for her…

Leslie
Leslie
2 years ago
Reply to  Ele

@Ele – 😍👆🏼!

Trent
Trent
2 years ago

Yeah, I was feeling some disgruntlement at this little side-arc detour through a rather limp-fish courtship with the inoffensive milquetoast “A’Yao” (🤮). I mean, he seems like a perfectly nice young man, and all things considered, nice young men, god luv em, we need more of I’m sure. But… look. I’m here for epic drama and epic romance, by golly, Lou Yao ain’t gonna supply either one any time soon.

I think Niaoniao is giving him the time of day not only because he’s available, and is nice to her, but also because he is totally on board (or willing to claim he is; who knows how it will/would play out in the event) with her desire to build stuff, to really set out and get some stuff done–a worthy desire sparked by her impressive success in working to get Hua county back on its feet. She seems to know that he doesn’t really make her heart go pitter-patter, but 1) she probably doesn’t really understand what that means, yet, and 2) she’s put on her practical hat and decided that she can work with someone who will be a willing partner in what she wants to do. Which is actually a fairly smart, far-sided attitude. …it’s just, not what we’re looking for, you know?

I admit I definitely snerked when General Ling started in on the “undress me to treat my wound” bit, all deadpan and like it was just this total casual normal thing. That was pretty amusing.

Anyway, I’m hoping that this Lou Yao thing doesn’t drag on for too many more episodes. Maybe show will deal with him by having a tragic accident or something? (I don’t wish him ill, of course, but it would be a convenient way to shuffle him off stage, right?)

Elaine
Elaine
2 years ago
Reply to  Trent

Hi Trent, well put on Lou Yao being genuinely admiring of Shaoshang’s good traits and supportive of her vision to travel the country and help people. More uncharitable minds like Shaoshang’s mom Yuanyi would probably suspect though that Shaoshang has simply found herself a yesman that she can bully into doing her every bidding, haha.

Leslie
Leslie
2 years ago
Reply to  Trent

@Trent@Elaine – I say both. Niaoniao has found someone who thinks she hung the moon AND she’s found a yes man. 😉 But she’s a benevolent overlord (so far, at least) and he’s a puppy who needs direction. I also think Niaoniao has a genuine need for security, and Lou Yao looks like a steady, safe partner to her. (Of course, we and Yuanyi suspect/know that’s not what she needs, or will want, long term…)

I actually like the storyline between Niaoniao and Lou Yao. I found this arc unexpected, in that it takes some time to explore their connection and treats it with respect rather than like a gag/distraction. It’s legit first love (or what feels like first love to Niaoniao), and sets up nicely where Niaoniao’s starting point is re: relationships.

Not that I don’t want to get to the main attraction/OTP soon. 😉

Beez
Beez
2 years ago
Reply to  Leslie

I have to disagree. I think NiaoNiao knows very well that it’s not first love. She’s being very practical: She knows that women have few options and very little freedom in married life and she likes Lou well enough as a friend. But his willingness to allow her freedom and also wishes to move away from both their relatives is more than enough for happiness in her book.

Ele
Ele
2 years ago
Reply to  Beez

Yes, I think so too, @beez. Niao Niao could do a lot worse than Lou Yao – he’s supportive, and actually has similar views on love that both she and General Ling have; he too would save Niao Niao his fiancee first in the drowning scenario. It stole General Ling’s thunder somewhat that he did 🙂 but I think in many ways, even General Ling can see Lou Yao wouldn’t be terrible for Niao Niao – though in his mind she would, of course, be better off with him!!

In the novel, in case of interest, Niao Niao recognises General Ling as the most handsome man she ever saw. She has a kind of awed respect for him – which puppy Lou Yao also has. So they both call him Brother Ling, which our General Ling more than bristles over…

@Trent There is a-scuppering a-coming….

Leslie
Leslie
2 years ago
Reply to  Beez

@Beez@Ele – Points taken about NiaoNiao’s feelings toward Lou Yao. I’ll push back just a little by saying that how we’ve described her feelings for Lou Yao may be puppy/first love for her. Someone who adores her, someone she can hang out with, someone she can see a future with. She doesn’t really know from desire at this point, so she doesn’t know that it’s missing from the equation.

But, yes. It is far from a heady experience of first love as it is usually depicted.

Beez
Beez
2 years ago
Reply to  Leslie

I concede that she cares for him greatly.

Elaine
Elaine
2 years ago

Stream-of-consciousness thoughts as I read your notes.

Ep 13-14

I actually rather liked the rousing speech Niao Niao gives to the villagers who are disconsolate after their province was essentially raped and pillaged. I felt it was quite unconventional how she urged them to rethink their situation (most movies just stay on sentimental and pitiful) and view them living their lives well to be a service to those who sacrificed for them. Cheesy and unrealistic? Perhaps but I liked it haha. I also felt it illustrated quite well how Niao Niao’s stubbornness and gumption, which got her into trouble at home, are actually assets in another context, that of a crisis situation, where you need someone prepared to go against the norm to drive decisions and actions. We really see Niao Niao stepping up and showing leadership.

As for Mom being a romantic, I think in the first episode it is mentioned that General Cheng (Niao Niao’s dad) married a lady (Yuanyi) who was married before. I can’t remember if she was divorced or widowed. That was rather a scandal and it was done for love. General Cheng and Yuanyi love each other deeply that’s why I can buy that for Yuanyi, she would want to see Niao Niao find love. Or at the very least, since Niao Niao is fighting for a marriage chosen by her instead of arranged marriage, shouldn’t she at least love the guy? So Yuanyi is perplexed and doesn’t want Niao Niao to make a mistake in marrying the wrong person. Of course this concern comes out all wrong and harsh.

Elaine
Elaine
2 years ago
Reply to  Elaine

The scene outside the gate where Ling Buyi rides out to check on the Cheng entourage – yes yes very chivalrous and smouldery but I was checking out Leo Wu’s horsemanship!!! Very on point! The way he controls the horse to go to the target, and turns it around so easily and precisely haha.

BTW I also noticed how General Ling’s underlings knew he was going for the Cheng carriage and directed their horses there so they were waiting for him. I mean, it was probably a stage management decision so that the formation would be ready once Leo Wu rode up but it also ties in with how since early in the series, his right-hand men were keeping an eye out for the Cheng carriage and Fourth Miss Cheng wahahaha. Wingmen aplenty including the Emperor! Yes very unusually genial emperor for a period drama!

Not for the first time, it occurs to me that this OTP is a bit like the one in Pride and Prejudice. A socially unconventional, intelligent, witty and feisty heroine keeps bumping into a very handsome, desirable, stoic, taciturn man, who falls first for her but she needs a lot more convincing! At this point in the story, I don’t even think Shaoshang has felt her heart wobble for General Ling, she might feel some gratitude and admiration after he saved her life, but she’s not thinking of him as a romantic prospect. She likes Lou Yao cos he dotes on her and supports her and praises her in everything she does. To Show’s credit, this is played endearingly rather than blindly, Shaoshang does deserve all the praise for seeing through a crisis, not just taking care of her own party but also the Hua town at large! After a rather tumultuous and traumatic upbringing, it is quite understandable that she would want to seek refuge with a kind and gentle guy.

I was pretty taken aback with how fast things moved though, at the gravesite I thought she didn’t really understand the commitment she was making when saying such words, and then the next episode showed she did indeed mean marriage!

I think the marriage intentions between Lou Yao and Shaoshang are the reason for her early removal from Hua County. I think if that hadn’t happened, it wouldn’t have triggered her parents to visit her just after a few months. My interpretation is that they had to bring her back to the capital to commence the marriage talks between the two families. I think Lou Yao already wrote back to his family and that triggered them to send over betrothal gifts already, even while the Cheng family was out at Hua county.

Leslie
Leslie
2 years ago
Reply to  Elaine

Yes, about Yuanyi wanting a genuine love connection for Niaoniao, but, expressing it all wrong. And, I also think Yuanyi is wary that a bad marriage choice by Niaoniao might boomerang back as more trouble for the Cheng family, or at least make Niaoniao miserable because of the awful family situation she’d be marrying into.

Oh, how I wish Yuanyi could’ve seen Niaoniao in action in Hua County! I love how you express that the traits that get Niaoniao in trouble at home (gumption, stubbornness) are the very traits that allow her to lead Hua County out of crisis. No wonder Lou Yao is 🤩. She was the (young) woman! Of course, it’s quite possible that Yuanyi would have still found some reason to minimize Niaoniao’s achievements, given her mindset… 😳

Since it was mentioned that, in the novel, Niaoniao is a girl from the future, I can’t help but see her and her actions through that lens. I suppose it helps balance the historical unlikelihood of her actions, thoughts, and speech in the current time. On the other hand, I’d kind of like to erase my knowledge of the time slip, because I want to see Niaoniao as a woman truly ahead of her time, on her own. Why not? Look at her mom.

Leslie
Leslie
2 years ago
Reply to  Elaine

P.S. I admired General Ling on horseback, too. 😉 Is there anything that Wu Lei guy can’t do, exceedingly well? I chuckle at the idea of Han Dynasty* wingmen, btw.

*Just guessing at the era.

Ele
Ele
2 years ago
Reply to  Elaine

Yes, nice @Elaine – Niao Niao’s skillset within a confined fishbowl of fashionable society is hopeless, but out in a battlefield, she is extraordinary. It makes it more baffling that Yaunyi can’t see how great her daughter’s skills are, given I imagine Yaunyi confined in the fishbowl is likewise less brilliant than out using her skills in strategy and command.

In the novel, Niao Niao apparently reminds Yaunyi greatly of her own mother, with whom she’d had a difficult relationship. Perhaps the females in the family line are great practical thinkers, just not great conveying ideas without barking them as orders. No daughter likes to be bossed by their mother. No mother likes to be bossed by their daughter 🙂

Beez
Beez
2 years ago
Reply to  Ele

@ele – Is the reason we never see NiaoNiao’s first brother is that he’s possibly from Mom’s first marriage?

@everyone – I probably asked during NIF (but don’t remember the answer) – do you guys think that “general” is probably more like “captain”? Is there a rank above the generals besides the Emperor? I mean, these generals are always so young!

Elaine
Elaine
2 years ago
Reply to  Beez

@Beez sorry for the late reply. I vaguely recall that Niao Niao’s eldest brother was still stationed at a province (possibly the border?) as in he’s still on active duty. I don’t think he is from Mom’s first marriage, cos I vaguely recall when the parents came home, Grandma or Niao Niao’s parents said, except for XXX (Niao Niao eldest brother), we are all reunited as a family.

As for the rank of “general”, Jiang1 Jun1 将军 I haven’t done research on it, but since it is the highest-ranking piece in Chinese chess (equivalent to the King in international chess), that tells me the Chinese general commands the entire battlefield/campaign offensive. Thus, equivalent to the English use of the word general.

As for all the young generals… how many are there? General Ling is talked about in LLTG as exceptionally accomplished at a young age. All the other Generals are older like Niao Niao and Qi Qi’s fathers. I don’t think it’s said that they rose to General at a young age as well.

Elaine
Elaine
2 years ago
Reply to  Elaine

In NIF, the young Lin Shu was called 少帅 or Young Marshal in the Viki subs, while his father was the General in that battle.

Beez
Beez
2 years ago
Reply to  Elaine

Yes, that’s exactly where I first got the impression of the young generals. (Gen. Ming – be still my heart. 💜 💜 💜)

Beez
Beez
2 years ago
Reply to  Elaine

Using Drama-Granma’s words is the perfect argument for NiaoNiao’s eldest brother being her full bio brother because if he weren’t, she must definitely would not have included him.

As for my question about “so many young generals”, that was including all the Chinese historical drama that I’ve seen (which, admittedly is not a lot)

Beez
Beez
2 years ago

My wildly running thoughts throughout these episodes:

NN’s Third Uncle to Lou – “I am graceful and talented but you are dumb and timid” 😆 That might’ve been from EP 12.

Ep 13 backflash to NN eating the candy the boys stomped on and her defiant little face. Great acting for anyone but especially for one so young.

Ep 14 Buyi watches as “Jody got yo girl and gone”. 😞

Lyrics by Johnnie Taylor.Definition of “Jody” In the Marines, a “Jody” is a generalized term meaning: any man who stays home while everyone else goes to war. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jody

Ep 15 Bunyi invites Lou to ride with him while NN rides in the carriage. “Don’t kill him Buyi. Please don’t kill him!” 😆

DannngEE! The respected scholar was looking for sympathy but NiaoNiao and Buyi blew up his pity party! 😆

Responding to KFG’s thoughts, I think Mom is resorting to “NN doesn’t love Lou” as an argument that she thinks might sway NN.

I could see where NN misses the significance of the arrow and string. Like people who keep their kidney stones in a jar, I might think warriors might keep arrows that wounded them.

Could Buyi be hoping to cause a shot gun wedding with his talk of NN undressing him? 😆

Beez
Beez
2 years ago
Reply to  Beez

Oops! I just realized that I cut off the most relevant part of the “Jody” definition:
In the Marines, a “Jody” is a generalized term meaning: any man who stays home while everyone else goes to war. He gets to enjoy all the things the Marines are missing, more specifically the Marine’s girlfriend back at home while the Marine is away on active duty.

Elaine
Elaine
2 years ago
Reply to  Beez

Hi Beez, very apt, in this case Lou Yao really was the Jody who stayed by Niao Niao’s side whole Ling Buyi carried on fighting at the battlefront!

Lol at the analogy to people who keep their kidney stones as souvenirs! 😂

Leslie
Leslie
2 years ago
Reply to  Beez

@Beez – General Ling is such a tiger and Lou Yao such a puppy. You’re right to worry about who might get eaten alive. General Ling is juuust this side of domesticated/civilized. (I love how well drawn both characters are, that I can readily summon an animal equivalent – though not uniquely so. 😉)

Love the Jody analogy.

Ele
Ele
2 years ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez Your kidney stones in a jar comment made me snort on my cuppa!

Beez
Beez
2 years ago
Reply to  Ele

“Cuppa”?

Ele
Ele
2 years ago
Reply to  Beez

Is that very British slang? Sorry! Cuppa means “a cup of tea” 🙂

Beez
Beez
2 years ago
Reply to  Ele

Thanks, Else ☺️