Open Thread: Heard It Through The Grapevine Episodes 3 & 4

Welcome to the Open Thread, everyone! Our young couple is going through so much to be together, that I just had to have them headline our post today, as they gaze on their little bundle of joy. ❤️

SOME IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENTS, before we begin:

ZERO SPOILER POLICY

1. We will be adopting a ZERO SPOILER POLICY for this Open Thread, except for events that have happened in the show, up to this point.

The spoiler tags don’t work in email notifications, therefore, please take note that WE WILL NOT BE USING SPOILER TAGS FOR THIS OPEN THREAD. 

ANY AND ALL SPOILERS WILL BE REDACTED to protect first-time viewers in our midst (although, I’d appreciate it if you would save me the trouble of having to redact spoilers, heh 😅).

This includes, but is not limited to, how characters &/or relationships develop, later in the show.

We need to protect the innocent! 😉

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2. HOWEVER!! If you’d like to discuss spoilers from a rewatcher’s point of view, I’ve created a SPOILER ZONE for you, where you can discuss all the spoilers you’d like, without the need for spoiler warnings. You can find it here!

Without further ado, here are my reactions to this set of episodes; have fun in the Open Thread, everyone! ❤️

My thoughts

Episode 3

With most dramas, it takes a couple of episodes for a show to find its footing. With this drama, I feel like I’m the one who probably needs a few extra episodes, to find my footing. 😅

What I mean is, because I have it in my head that Show is a dark comedy, and because I didn’t actually find most of this episode very funny, I spent a good chunk of this episode, feeling unsure of whether I was missing anything.

I’m still not completely sure if I missed anything, as I type this, because I don’t think I have enough experience with dark comedies to feel sure-footed around this genre.

That said, I do think that Show was just taking some time to breathe, this episode. After all, you can’t keep up a rollercoaster ride for 30 whole episodes, without taking any breathing space, right?

The whole operation to break In Sang out of his study prison to get back into the house to see Bom, is the main focus, this episode, and this whole thing really endears Butler Park and Housekeeper Jung to me.

They may not have much overt power, but they are intimately acquainted with the workings and schedules within the household, and they are the ones who make it possible for In Sang and Bom to meet, and spend that precious pocket of time together.

I honestly feel like they’re our MVPs, this episode. 🤩

Plus, I do love how genuine their care for In Sang and Bom feels. They’re not helping In Sang and Bom for any other reason than the fact that they feel sorry for the young couple, and want to help.

They make an excellent contrast to Mom and Dad (listed as Jung Ho and Yeon Hee), who are more concerned with their social standing and reputation than ever. If only Jung Ho and Yeon Hee were half as kind to our young couple, as Butler Park and Housekeeper Jung, yes?

Through all of this, I’m quite struck by how sincere and earnest In Sang is, in his care for Bom.

Thinking about it, he and Bom don’t actually have much foundation for their relationship, do they? They spent a little time together during a camp, and were attracted to each other. And then, they slept together once, before being separated.

And the next time they saw each other, was when In Sang showed up at Bom’s home, and realized that she was heavily pregnant with his baby.

That’s.. not a lot to go on, really, and yet, as scared and powerless as he is, In Sang is dead serious about wanting to marry Bom, and the way he is so concerned when he asks Butler Park whether Bom’s been eating well, feels so sweetly heartfelt.

His heart is fully with Bom, and I can’t help feeling quite touched by this, given how In Sang’s life has just been thrown into disarray by this development, that Bom’s just had his baby.

Bom’s a real trooper as well, keeping up such a brave front, in the face of such overt manipulative moves by In Sang’s parents. As she puts it later in the episode, she only puts up with it because she loves In Sang, and that’s really touching too.

I like the implication of Bom’s statement, that she’s aware that she has a choice. She’s aware that she doesn’t have to be subjected to detention and surveillance by In Sang’s parents; she only accepts it, because her feelings for In Sang are real and true.

One of the lighter moments this episode, that I found low-key entertaining, is when Bom’s father, listed as Hyeong Sik, makes it his mission to visit In Sang’s home.

It’s resourceful of him to get the address from the taxi company, and I’m pretty impressed that he manages to get the actual house, since, as Noo Ri says, most people only tell the taxi driver which neighborhood to drive to.

Too bad for him, that Yeon Hee catches on to who he must be, and blatantly lies that there’s no In Sang living at the address. Worse, Jung Ho even gets a police patrol car to basically intimidate Hyeong Sik into withdrawing from his mission, and leaving the neighborhood.

Poor thwarted clueless Hyeong Sik. He has no idea what he’s asking for, when he muses to his wife that it would be nice, if In Sang really were from such a rich family. Pfft.

I can’t help wondering how this incident is going to look to his eyes, when the truth comes out eventually – because it surely will, right?

In the meantime, the other cracks will surely widen, so that the truth will have to come out, I think.

Yeon Hee’s nosy friends already have a whiff of the truth, thanks to their connections, who are reporting that the emergency call made from Yeon Hee’s home, had specifically been for labor pains.

Well now. That’s not something that Jung Ho and Yeon Hee will be able to erase easily, I think.

Which means that this crack might end up being the one to blow the whole secret open, given a bit of time, and a bit more nosing around, by the Nosy Trio.

Another potential source of secret spillage, is Yi Ji, who seems all too happy to engage with her new nephew, and who also doesn’t seem too bothered by her parents’ strict instructions to keep her lips sealed about In Sang’s situation.

Those photos that Yi Ji’s sent to Hyun Soo, could well be the crack that breaks this secret open as well.

If I were rooting for this secret to be successfully kept, all of this would be rather stressful, I’m sure, since it feels like there are a number of wild cards in this equation.

But, because I’m actually hoping that this secret comes out sooner than later, I’m actually rather pleased, each time a crack widens, heh.

I think the best scene out of this entire episode, has to be the one where In Sang desperately hides under the table, to keep from being discovered by his sleepless parents.

The situation itself is quite ludicrous, and keeps getting more ludicrous, with Jung Ho joining Yeon Hee at the table, making In Sang’s hiding space even tinier.

And then there’s how Jung Ho deadpans that In Sang must be having a very hard time, just as In Sang’s literally shivering from trying to stay in his ridiculously unstable position – before he collapses and gets calmly busted by Jung Ho.

It’s really quite entertaining, I have to say. 😆

But YAY that In Sang’s fighting through his nerves, and finally making a stand with his parents.

Of course he shouldn’t agree to staying away from Bom and the baby, especially if the demand is that he not come home until the exams are over the following year. That’s ridiculous. I’m glad he outright refuses, to his parents’ shock.

It’s pretty great that In Sang and Bom make a united stand, and state for the record, that they love each other (while all the meerkats poke their heads out in curiosity, heh).

I’m definitely curious to see how Jung Ho and Yeon Hee respond to this unexpected uprising against their royal command. 😁

Episode 4

Well. This hour didn’t go quite as I’d expected – which is probably how Jung Ho and Yeon Hee feel about the whole thing too, at this point. 😅

I’m not surprised that Jung Ho and Yeon Hee attempt to use money to make their problems go away; that does seem to be the modus operandi of the rich and influential.

And, given how high their hopes had been for In Sang, before Bom and the baby had come along, it’s almost to be expected, that they would be willing to part with a good chunk of money, if it meant that In Sang’s life could carry on as before.

At the same time, I find it unsurprising, that they would lie to In Sang and Bom, while working out how to pay off Bom’s parents, to make this all go away.

I feel most sorry for Bom, who sincerely believes that they are going to see her parents, and even offers thoughtful tips to Yeon Hee, to make their supposed visit to her family home as smooth and as comfortable as possible.

Aw. Bom really has such a sweet spirit; I know she’s pretty darn awesome and strong all on her own, but it just makes me want to protect her, especially from the realization that In Sang’s parents aren’t as nice as she might think.

My heart goes out to In Sang as well. In all of his naiveté and innocence, and really, without much power or influence over anything at all, he really does wish to do the right thing by Bom, and support her to the utmost.

His statement, that this is a really difficult time for her, not only physically but also mentally, and also, generally speaking, for her entire life, makes me realize that he’s really putting himself in her shoes, and doing his best to understand and empathize with what she must be thinking and feeling.

That’s very sweet, isn’t it?

It’s too bad that his parents don’t think like him at all.

The way they don’t even go personally to see Bom’s parents, says everything, really, about how they view them, and how they view the situation. It’s something to get sorted out as impersonally as possible, from their point of view.

What a contrast Bom’s parents are, in that they may not have much money, but they care so much for Bom and her dignity and her rights as a person, that they would be willing to turn down 1,750,000,000 won (approx. US$1.37 million, by today’s exchange rate) – which would literally solve all of their money woes – in order to protect her.

That’s so loving, seriously. The more I see of Bom’s parents, the more I like them.

I mean, it’s natural that they would consider the benefits of receiving that money, and it’s natural that they would feel at least a little bit swayed.

But ultimately, they go marching out their front door, to seek out In Sang’s parents, because they just can’t bring themselves to sell out their daughter like In Sang’s parents are suggesting. That’s what makes Bom’s parents so relatable and likable.

It’s a bummer that Hyeong Sik ends up feeling small, when he visits Jung Ho’s place of work, but Bom’s mom – listed as Jin Ae – does such an awesome job getting into In Sang’s family home, and not allowing Yeon Hee to lie her way out of there.

Jin Ae’s outburst is all kinds of awesome, not only for how sharp her questions are, but also, for how confronting she is, in terms of what Jung Ho and Yeon Hee are trying to do. In the face of such burning honesty, there’s literally nowhere for Yeon Hee to hide, and I kinda love that.

That is the opposite of what Yeon Hee is used to, and she has no idea how to deal with it. I think that’s great. 😃

I also love how In Sang won’t sit still, when he sees the memorandum that his parents had prepared for Bom’s parents.

I know he does look pretty darn pathetic when he shows up at Jin Ae’s doorstep, but at least he’s trying to do something, rather than just sit and take whatever his parents dole out to him.

And what an audacious plan he ends up hatching – to register his marriage to Bom, whether his parents like it or not.

Woah. That’s a ballsy move indeed, and that absolutely shows that In Sang is dead serious about marrying Bom and taking responsibility as a husband and father. That’s pretty darn endearing, I have to say.

I love how In Sang just marches back home to take Bom out of there, to get their marriage certificate.

I’d actually expected him to falter &/or hedge, when Yeon Hee shows up to ask him where he’s going, but he doesn’t. He just asks her to step aside, coz he and Bom are going to get married. Ahhh! Our nervous dude is being so brave, really.

I love how this just turns into a race towards the marriage bureau, with everyone and their secretaries making a mad dash to get there before the marriage is registered.

I’d honestly expected Jung Ho to try to drag In Sang out of there, upon his arrival, so I’m pretty stunned, that Jung Ho swallows his concerns, and makes for what must be Plan C by now – pretending to be nice, and acting all supportive towards the marriage.

Ooh. This makes me really, really curious to know what else Jung Ho is thinking about, with Plan C. Let the kids get married, but scare them with the realities of marriage, so that hopefully the kids themselves ask for an annulment..?

I’m looking forward to finding out! 😁

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Snow Flower
Snow Flower
4 days ago

Yay for Ahjumma and Ahjussi! Bom’s Mom is great too. But can they stand against Insane Dad and his Macchiavellian plans?

eda harris
eda harris
7 days ago

there is something that really impressed me but i forgot to mention it.
i think it’s in ep. 3, in sang makes a list of what he can do for bom and reads it to her. it’s the most amazing idea he comes up with – SMILE FOR HER. wow, that blew my mind. how many men will you find in this world to come up with an initiative to create a list of what he can do for the woman he loves? even with the instruction of a therapist, i doubt that many men will see A SMILE for his woman as an expression of love, encouragement, devotion and a gesture of comfort. i do not know about you, but i think that it is pretty unique and genuine.
in sang rocks!
in general, this drama – you will cry and you will laugh, you will bless and you will curse.

Beez
Beez
7 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

👏

Trent
11 days ago

One thing I forgot to mention: Our Boy In-sang is definitely doing a better job of stepping up…needs to work on his vibe, his aura, but he’s a work in progress, so okay.

BUT. What’s with this passionate extended liplock he practically forces on Bom when they reunite? I mean, I get that teenage boys are a walking bundle of hormonal energy, been there done that, but my dude, this young lady is barely 24 hours post-partum, c’mon. A tender kiss, some solicitous hugs and gentle touch (which to be fair, we do see when they are reading comics together and all), that’s the way to go, not acting like you wanna drag her off to the sack, you know? I’m 99% sure that excessive ardor is just not where her head nor her heart is at right now.

Sorry, had to get that offa my chest.

Beez
Beez
11 days ago
Reply to  Trent

haha! @Trent. He did give off horny-teenager-who-hasn’t-seen-his-girl-friend-since-she-let-him-have-“some” vibes. 😂 I was thinking as well that he probably has ZERO idea that no action will be happening for at least 6 weeks! Poor baby!

Beez
Beez
12 days ago

Running thoughts while watching:
Did Insane Mom relent because everyone heard Bom ask to be allowed to breastfeed her baby? And who is that with the suit on standing at the door with the two secretaries? Maybe that’s the doctor, but he’s there awfully early. Yeah, that’s who he is. And his nod seems to be the deciding factor in Bom’s favor.

The doctor and the nanny should have been advocating for the benefits of breast milk anyway!

Insane Mom must’ve been completely drugged when she had her children because she is completely ignorant. Not to mention Insane Dad too. And they must’ve had tons of help, even more than they have now, since they don’t even know that babies cry throughout the night.🙄

“Destroy the DNA test because even if we despise and look down upon the baby’s mother, we must pretend that everything is going according to our wishes in our ‘to be envied life’. So we never doubted the baby’s parentage.” Although, by the end of both episodes, maybe it’s mainly about “destroy the evidence because we’re going to act as if there were never any baby.”

Because of the poor subtitles back in the day, I totally missed that Mrs. Jang (of the 3 gossiping friends) implied that the baby is Insane Papa’s love child that Insane Mom has to accept and is stuck raising. lol

And then Insane Mama says to Dad Insane that the suspicions of Mrs. Jang (sending the “Congrats” flower basket) are all his fault because of his “strange refined hobby that she has to pretend she doesn’t know about”. I’m intrigued and have no idea what she’s talking about despite this being a rewatch. I might stay away from the spoiler thread this time because this is feeling so new to me.

Insane parents can’t imagine anyone not selling their children when in such financial straits. And Insane Papa says he’s glad they’re in financial trouble because if they hadn’t been, he would have created it for them. Shameless!

Normal Mom just tore that piece of tissue in half for Insang! C’mon Mom! C’mon Show! I guess that’s to emphasize just how tight things are in the Normals’ household. 😄

Insang’s appeal to Normal Mom – “Mother!” (Which can be used as respect to anyone old enough to be your mom, like your friends’ moms. But his second cry of “Mother!” was actually “mother-In-law!” That was all she needed to see where In sang’s heart lies.

Normal Mom with the good advice! Insang may not have any life experience but he used his brains when he picked an ally! No way Insang thought of registering their marriage on his own. It’s telling that the scene switches from him asking Normal Mom what to do and then his determined heading off to the registrar’s office with the Normals meeting them there.

I knew that there was so much more going on with these characters than the subs we were given from DramaFever back when it first aired. I’m excited to see what else will be revealed with these new subtitles!

eda harris
eda harris
11 days ago
Reply to  Beez

beez, No way Insang thought of registering their marriage on his own

i have to disagree, i think it was totally in sang’s idea. he’s young and tutor-raised, but he’s a smart young man, and is able to think very quick, depending on situation- and he proved it already with his words as well as his actions. he’s boy no more, he’s a man that has to take care of his family, by his own declaration. and that’s what he does. if anybody had doubts in the past about that, there should be no more.

he decided to “break the law” imposed by his parents, he left that house where he’s being tutored, and went straight to bom’s parents. and since the documents said that there can not be a marriage between these two, he decided to do JUST THAT – get married. he came to bom’s parents to ask for help, not advise, because as minors (until they are 19 years old – one more year), they need parent’s consent to get married. he asked bom’s mom for that.

eda harris
eda harris
11 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

beez, The doctor and the nanny should have been advocating for the benefits of breast milk anyway!

the baby does get her breast milk, she pumps and later the baby gets it in a bottle. it’s another issue, the benefit to a baby as well as the mother – to breast feed, especially the bonding aspect. and we do not know whether the doctor talked about this at all. we are not privy to the whole conversation.

eda harris
eda harris
11 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

beez, Normal Mom just tore that piece of tissue in half for Insang!
well, we finally can discuss this drama openly, remember how we desperately wanted to discuss it on the blog, were advised to put all in spoilers, and then i suggested let’s just try to get it for the group. you said we’ll have a 0% chance to push it through, but we did it, and now everybody loves it and i am so happy about it.
anyway, about the tissue being torn in half, may be she’s concerned about the trees and the environment?! (just a joke, but who knows).

Beez
Beez
11 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda~ we ALL know. It was to show just how financially strapped normal family is. And it was subtly funny.

eda harris
eda harris
10 days ago
Reply to  Beez

beez,  to show just how financially strapped normal family is.
about the tissue and mom’s concern on the environment. that was my private JOKE. aigoo, you should be able to recognize my jokes by now. lol.

Beez
Beez
11 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

yes, I finally feel vindicated becouse I’ve been nagging everyone here for years to watch this drama AND I was excited to hear one of the Characters refer to Cinderella because I’ve always called this show “What happens when Candy/Cinderella gets her chabeoul/prince?”

Trent
11 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez — the funny thing is, though, it isn’t even really a conventional “Candy gets the Chaebol” situation, because it seems evident that Bom didn’t really have any clue just how wealthy/powerful In-sang’s family was until he took her off to his house to give birth…and before that, she was actively determined not to leak his identity and involve him with the kid, until he tracked her down.

So it wasn’t like she was on the hunt for her man, so to speak. Now, it turns out through circumstances that the smart, spunky, but poor girl has in fact made the connection with the wealthy privileged dude, so going forward, it does fit with your profile near enough…

Beez
Beez
11 days ago
Reply to  Trent

@Trent~ Well, that’s techically true, but What I meant by that, is that even as a young kid, I used to want to see inside the prince and Cinderella’s coach as it pulled away. I wanted to see how she lived after that. Did he treat her well? How often did they fight? Are his parents good to her or did she exchange a poor nightmare for a rich one? 😆

Trent
11 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez — fair enough, and it does look like that’s where we’re headed. How does smart ‘n spunky, etc. deal with being (unwillingly) welcomed into the bosom of wealth and privilege. I know who I’m rooting for, for sure.

MariaF
MariaF
11 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez

I used to want to see inside the prince and Cinderella’s coach as it pulled away. I wanted to see how she lived after that. 

Interesting.
When I watched the show, it never even occurred to me to think of Bom as Cinderella.

For one, being Cinderella meant being an orphan and being abused by an evil stepmother and evil stepsisters. There was nothing of the sort in Bom’s life. Her family was just poor (which, I admit, could be unpleasant.)

What’s also very important is that when Cinderella met Prince Charming, he was “ready to use”, so to speak.

Although In Sang definitely had potential, a lot of work needed to be done for him to get ready. “Shake well before use”.

And I don’t see Charming’s father being that hostile to Cinderella.

So I feel that whatever happened between Bom
and In Sang cannot be indicative of what would’ve / could’ve happened between the fairytale characters.

There are other aspects too, but it’s too early to discuss them.

Last edited 11 days ago by MariaF
eda harris
eda harris
10 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

maria, And I don’t see Charming’s father being that hostile to Cinderella.

o maria, you are just fooled by ‘charming dad” – his good looks (sort of) and sweet talk (he’s no less than a very, but very successful attorney).

eda harris
eda harris
10 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

maria, i just saw not long ago the movie “kingmaker: the fox of the election., with lee sun kyun (your favorite MM). he’s truly an all solid, accomplished, beyond skillful actor, but just his voice, i hear his voice and i melt – but that’s just me). it’s much about politics, but even more – relationships, what is truly important – the final goal no matter what, or the road to it.
anyway, i thought that you would really enjoy this movie, plenty of material to take apart. i thought this one is up your alley, so wanted to mention it to you.

MariaF
MariaF
10 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Thanks! I’ll check it out.

Cathy
Cathy
9 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

I’ve been a fan of Lee Sun Kyun since Coffee Prince and was mesmerized by his performance in Kingmaker. Very disappointed he didn’t win the Baeksang.

eda harris
eda harris
8 days ago
Reply to  Cathy

cathy, totally mesmerized! i had exactly the same thought- how on earth he was not the one with the baeksang. although all the acting was truly top-grade.
i think his performance in “king” is even more impressive than in “my mister”. in “king” HE is IT, and IT is HE.

MariaF
MariaF
10 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@Eda
I meant the king dad from the fairytale wasn’t hostile, not In Sang’s father. This one is *@&**, of course.

eda harris
eda harris
10 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

maria, ok, misunderstanding. got it now.

Beez
Beez
10 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

@ManaF~ Well, of course, It’s not the exact same circumstances (although one of the characters did reference Cinderella in ep 3 or 4); the metaphor is just one that I used to try to get people interested to watch. (Maybe that’s why it never worked 😆)

But the point is not the circumstances that the FL comes from in any Kdrama or story. My point was that we usually don’t get to see the aftermath.

MariaF
MariaF
9 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez
My point was that we usually don’t get to see the aftermath.

I think I understand what you are saying.

However, my question here is “the aftermath of what?”.

If we are talking about strictly Cinderella / Prince Charming scenario (an abused miserable orphan girl vs a kind loving savior), we probably don’t.

But this show doesn’t fit the criteria.

Also, in a few South Korean shows that I’ve seen and which supposedly represent the modern versions of the story, FL is no Cinderella, and ML is no Prince Charming.

She is usually a regular girl from a family of modest means and he is a rich nasty or emotionally handicapped piece of work, who is somehow transformed into a human being by FL.

On the other hand, we can see that aftermath in shows that tell us stories about lives of married people. Many of those marriages probably started as romantic love stories.

Beez
Beez
8 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

@MariaF – but I already said “of course, it’s not the exact same circumstances”.

The aftermath of what their married life is like, especially coming from two very different backgrounds.

Beez
Beez
8 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

@MariaF – I can’t think of any one Korean rom-com where we follow the couple into their married life. Maybe some melos start the story with a married couple (who are usually already miserable).

MariaF
MariaF
8 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez
I can’t think of any one Korean rom-com where we follow the couple into their married life. Maybe some melos start the story with a married couple…

I haven’t seen many Korean shows, but I think you are right.

I can probably remember only one show that at least tries to follow FL/ML into the beginning of their marriage. I’m talking about “1% of something” (shh, don’t tell Eda: I’m not sure I’m allowed to mention that show).

Here is the point I was trying to make:

Marriages we see in melos are most likely continuations of some romantic beginnings. We just don’t see those specific beginnings. But, to paraphrase Tolstoy, “All couples in love are alike in the beginning of their relationship”.

And this show is similar to the melos you mentioned: it pretty much starts with the aftermath, because we don’t see much of a before-marriage courtship.

Last edited 8 days ago by MariaF
eda harris
eda harris
8 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

o, this damn 1% and the jackets! never forget. i guess it will become our private joke.

MariaF
MariaF
8 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

Eda, I’m glad that you were able to get past a traumatic experience of watching that drama, and that we can now joke about it.

Beez
Beez
8 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

I understand that, MariaF. It just seems like lately, every time I make a comment that should be obvious – obviously, I know Bom didn’t have a dead father or an evil stepmother – but instead of taking it as meant, it becomes a whole other thing. Maybe it’s the language barriers.

And btw, there are tons and tons of female lead characters that do have a Cinderella‐esque background. The majority of them, in fact. Remember this drama came out before all the more “woke” dramas of today where now women don’t necessarily fit the old mold of typical “Candy” characters.

MariaF
MariaF
8 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez

You are right. I shouldn’t have made it into something else.

It just seems to me that nowadays Cinderella’s story is often reduced to a story about a girl from a family of modest means, who gets herself a rich dude.

And I don’t think that’s what that fairytale was about.

eda harris
eda harris
7 days ago
Reply to  MariaF

maria, this is out of this frame question, but i meant to ask you. i am curious, you mention tolstoy and chechov sometimes- are you a fan of russian classics? are you also familiar with other russian writers like turgenev, gogol, pushkin, dostoyevsky, gorky, etc. or even the later ones like bulgakov and solzenitcin? you know i am russian born and raised, so i inhaled russian literature along with the air there. that is why i am just curious, because not many in the west are truly familiar with these immense contributions to world literature in general.

eda harris
eda harris
10 days ago
Reply to  Trent

trent, poor girl has in fact made the connection with the wealthy privileged dude,

does that mean that are you implying that she did go after him because of who and what he is? unless i am misunderstanding.

she was absolutely not aware of his status. he simply lied to her, so that she would like him and that he would be on the same social level as she is. and he would get more intimacy with her. he confessed about it himself.

Trent
10 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda — no, I’m saying the opposite: she didn’t have any idea who he was in terms of social status or familial wealth when they first got acquainted, had their little whirlwind romance, and did the deed that ended up precipitating the whole drama.

BUT, even though she didn’t know it, fact is, dude WAS from high social status, was from wealthy family, so even though she didn’t know it at the time, because of pregnancy (baby is kind of permanent, you know?) she is now tied to In-sang’s family (through the young couple’s choice to stay together, and despite In-sang’s parent’s best efforts), and reality is that In-sang’s family is wealthy and privileged, so it doesn’t matter that she didn’t know and wasn’t pursuing him for those reasons at first–here she is, deal with it…

eda harris
eda harris
10 days ago
Reply to  Trent

trent, you are right about that. but aren’t you happy she’s now in this family, so we can have our pleasures to watch this drama? every coin has two sides, even in a “fantasy” drama. he he.

Beez
Beez
11 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda ~you’re right about Bom expressing her breastmilk. I’d forgotten about that for a moment. But in all other aspects, I disagree as far as Insang coming up with the idea on his own of registering for marriage right at that moment. Sure, we all know he wants to marry Bom, but I don’t think it would have occurred to him (just yet) to go without his parents consent because they are underaged.

I wonder how that works anyway? If the Insane Parents had not shown up to place their seals on the document, would they even be legally married? I heard Normal Dad yell at the Insanes “you’ll just have to have it anulled later!” Makes me wonder just how binding would it be with only one set of parents’ seals?

eda harris
eda harris
10 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

beez, another reason i thought it was in sang’s idea to get married, is bom’s mother is not convinced that it will be good for bom to live in this house with his parents. she also thinks that bom is too young to commit to a marriage (a lot of such couples get divorced after some time). she thinks in sang will be a student (may be even living in a different place while going to university, and having a student’s life) while bom will be left alone with the baby in this very difficult situation in that house (she says it herself). she is not exactly endorsing a marriage. besides, judging by her relationship with bom, i believe she would want to discuss it with her daughter first. this was a very quick, instant decision – the marriage. and as we already saw, in sang is very capable to make quick decisions and follow up on them (decision to take responsibility and marry bom as soon as he sees her for the first time pregnant, decision to bring her home to his parents, decision to participate actively in her labor and delivery of his baby, decision to leave his tutoring place and snick into the house to see and support bom…). i think he’s more than capable to make the decision to marry bom right away.

Beez
Beez
10 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@Eda ~ the reasons that I don’t think that Normal Mom would consult with Bom first is 1) she knows Bom wants to be with Insang; and 2) it’s S.K., where being a single mom is close second to being a murderess. (hyperbole there before y’all star spittin’ facts at me about the actual stats on popularity of murderers vs. single moms 😆

Trent
10 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez — I love a little judiciously inserted hyperbole, you’re all good… (also, I get your point; single motherhood can’t be easy anywhere, but I’m guessing it’s probably especially burdensome in SK society in general).

Beez
Beez
10 days ago
Reply to  Trent

@Trent – I’ve just been feeling like lately, everything I say is taken lit-ter-ally with no wiggle 🪱.

MariaF
MariaF
9 days ago
Reply to  Beez

@beez @eda
where being a single mom is close second to being a murderess.

I agree.

I cannot imagine a South Korean mother wanting her daughter to be a single mother with an illegitimate child, especially if the father is from a well-to-do family.

Last edited 9 days ago by MariaF
eda harris
eda harris
8 days ago
Reply to  Beez

beez,
a single mom is close second to being a murderess. 

normally, that is as you say. but in this case… from the very first time i watched it, i was surprised (and delighted) with this mother (especially after the trauma from healer’s mother), her degree of accepting the situation including her daughter, as one who ended up in this predicament, and everything in general, was like “what, such mothers exist in KOREA?” she did not even really push her to disclose who the father was (at the most, she very gently nudged her). there is an enormous amount of support and genuine understanding for bom – there is a sense of closeness and trust, like friendship between this mother and daughter. and also respect – that is what i felt, and that is why i thought that THIS mother would want to talk it over with bom first, before making any decisions. THIS mother was more concerned with bom’s well being no matter where and no matter how, and after seeing the situation in this “horrible house”, would she think that this “house” is a “well being” for bom? that is why i think it was in sang’s decision, and he talked her parents to go along with HIS decision.

eda harris
eda harris
11 days ago
Reply to  Beez

beez, Did Insane Mom relent because everyone heard Bom ask to be allowed to breastfeed her baby

insane mom couldn’t care less about what bom wants or says, she simply despises her. after all, she dashed all her hopes for her son. but.. there is always hope with a husband like she has, so she follows his plans, no matter how many he has, no matter how and what he decides. he is smart (has a PHD from the states), the savior of this horrible situation. so she follows his plan a, plan b, plan c… what ever. and right now his decision is to go “soft” on bom, pretend to be nice. she follows his directive.

if only every wife would have been like this, obedient, men would be happy. he he. we can call her a “dream wife”.

Beez
Beez
11 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

@eda.I know Bom’s wishes don’t mean squat to these people. So why do you think they relented?

eda harris
eda harris
10 days ago
Reply to  Beez

beez, why do you think they relented?
we do not really know, but could be a few reasons.

1.mom and dad want to look good no matter what.

2.they are not sure yet how it will develop, and so they need to take precautions, and tread gently (at least for time being). that’s of course dad’s idea and his instructions to his wife.

3.dad is an attorney, he thinks at least 10 steps ahead, that’s why he designed plan a, plan b, plan c. and the door is always open to more plans, depending on the developments, and first of all – to confirm whether it is really their own blood in that baby’s veins.)

4.once confirmed, dad must devise a plan how to break up in sang and bom, by all means possible.

and that might not be all. a lot of ideas are running in the “poor” confused dad’s mind at this insane time of his life, which descended on him like the plaque in egypt.

but MANIPULATION is my answer.

Beez
Beez
10 days ago
Reply to  eda harris

1@eda~ As I’m reading your reply and thinking more about it, I’m thinking also about Insane Dad realizing that it’s the first time Insang has rebelled (by leaving the tutor apartment), and maybe relenting about Bom’s requests, is because Insane Dad decided that a small retreat was in order. I remember in an earlier scene where he said something to Insane Mom about being glad that Insang hadn’t rebelled outright. *evil genius*

phl1rxd
phl1rxd
12 days ago

Fangurl – I cannot remember a drama quite like this. It has a unique flavor. Every time I think it is going one way it pulls the rug out from under my feet. It is like riding the bumper cars at the amusement park – like ouch that hurt, I am not amused but can we go again?

I miss BE right about now. He would have a field day with this one. I have to think hard about what I really want to say beside I am totally in for this crazy ride.

Trent
12 days ago

Wow, so I find that just four episodes in, I’m already kind of loving this show. It’s got a well-calibrated mix of quirkiness, satire, and hard-hitting plot beats to just kind of suck us in, you know?

I get what you say about humor, because I think the humor here is not the most obvious or explicit; the laugh beats aren’t necessarily laid out really clearly. Nevertheless, I did find that at several points I was breaking out in chuckles just from the situational humor or the triggering of some absurdity. It’s a nice touch, I think.

Things I was all hot to vent about when I hit the end of episode four:
Hoo-boy, I was seriously ready to storm the bastille and start putting some heads on pikes over the way In-sang’s parents were acting with that insulting settlement offer. I mean, objectively viewed, it’s very generous, and because uber-lawyer dad has done (at least partly) his due diligence, he knows that his potential in-laws are in fairly dire straights and that a big ol’ hunk of money is going to be very very hard to resist. But honestly, it’s just so insulting and devoid of any respect for their dignity, to send his secretary over to deliver the offer, the very clear subtext of which is “here’s a pile of money, you and your cheap whore daughter should be grateful at your luck, and slink away to never be heard from again.” I was really mad on their behalf, and really glad that they ultimately threw it back in their faces (literally, in the case of mom).

Oh, and that was great how Bom’s mom pushed her way in the residence (the sympathetic servants strike again! although the housekeeper apologized for making a “mistake” in letting her in, c’mon, that was clearly an “accidentally on purpose” sort of mistake), and when then In-sang’s mom had the absolutely cowardly gall to deny to her face that she was In-sang’s mom, Bom’s mom had a nicely calibrated melt-down/tantrum (which left In-sang’s mom with a case of the vapors…hah! how sheltered is this woman?!), and then marched off to meet her grandson and have some quality time with him and her daughter.

Anyway. Minor items to mention: Love seeing Gong Seung-yeon showing up as Bom’s eonni…saw her for the first time in the recent Bulgasal and liked her there, so nice to see her again. And then the big drumroll…I kept thinking In-sang’s dad, although thus far the very stereotypical jerk power lawyer type, was also very sharp and dashing looking in his power three-piece suit ensemble, so I went and looked up the actor (Yoo Jun-sang), and it said he was in Uncanny Counter? Wait, what character…Ga Mo-tak?! the scruffy, beatup, resurrected from a coma ex-cop?! Readers, I was floored!! But then after swallowing that bit of news…I started seeing Mo-tak in In-sang’s dad whenever he was on screen, lurking there in behind the perfectly coiffed and put together power lawyer. Wild.

Onward! What new delights await us in the just-commencing battle between in-laws and their offspring?

Trent
12 days ago
Reply to  kfangurl

IK, R?! I don’t think I ever would have picked up on it if I hadn’t checked out the actor. For one thing, the hairstyles are so wildly opposite…

beez
12 days ago
Reply to  kfangurl

@KFG – Yu Jun-Sang has been around forever. I’d be surprised if you haven’t seen him in other things too. The first thing that comes to mind for me, he played the antagonist superior officer that have Rain a hard time in the movie R2 Return to Base (aka Soar into the Sun). But he’s been around long before that too, usually a second banana.

j3ffc
j3ffc
12 days ago

I bet you wonder how I knew
About your plans to make me blue

Totally agree about Butler Park and Housekeeper Jung being the MVPs of the episode. They are a glimmer of humanity in that dysfunctional household.